who is to be held responsible

[lunchbox]

As im sure you all know there is a great deal of complaining here on the forum. IN no way am I calling you as I have done more than my fair share.
But the question I would like answered is. "who is to be held responsible " For what you ask? Im so glad you asked.
the answer is EVERYTHING yes everything we complain about
corruption
loss of rights
crime
gas prices
mortgage loans being defaulted
The War
terrorism
drugs
high taxes (more so on the poor I might add) can i get an amen
the value of our currency
$150 barrel of oil
48 billion in profits in a quarter
over payed athletes
over payed actors
price of medical care
good inventions being suppressed for the sake of the all mighty dollar
liberals
anti gun organizations
peta
immigration
dictators
news media




Is it some cosmic force of evil??
Did these things happen by chance???
Is there some secrete society holding the reins????
Or did decent folk stand by and watch the little things go by without contest? then when things really began to turn it was too late and its just an up hill battle that most wont get involved in?? weather it because they are scared or just dont want to rock the boat. I think its time we sink that boat and build a new one.
This cant go on. At this rate in 5 years gas will no longer be an issue we will all be in caves and tents and mutating from nuclear warfares lasting effects. desperately clinging to life in an effort to not let our species die out. Who will put us on the endangered species list. Who will form PETH? (people for the ethical treatment of humans) and I dont mean just stopping cruel physical punishments but the mental kind as well.
who will set the record straight once and for all??? Ask the people of France about their revolution. create enough hunger and everyone can kill.
Where will our Bastille be??? to those who cry for peace I tell them Si vis pacem, para bellum.
Billions spent to treat aids in Africa. billions more to fly candidates from one end of the globe to the other and put their face so many places you cant go anywhere without seeing Obama and McCain at least 10 times.
I through up a little every time I hear that ignorant liberals voice.
I say its time to take back what is ours right the wrongs and get back to democracy not government sold to the highest bidder.



So who is to be held responsible???
I can think of no one better than ourself.

[Wildscar]

Its the nurgles fault.

[lunchbox]

Its the nurgles fault.

the who???

[TexasComputerDude]

someones a harry potter fan...

[HighVelocity]

Mainstream Media and Sheeple.

[Wildscar]

someones a harry potter fan...

Nope, Nurgles were around long before Harry Potter. I would post a pic but they are kinda sick and disgusting and would give people night mares.

[The Annoyed Man]

All of the above speaks directly to that famous quote from Edmund Burke: "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

'nuff said.

[mr.72]

My responses in bold.

corruption the corrupt
loss of rights the voters
crime criminals
gas prices supply and demand .. in other words, the consumer
mortgage loans being defaulted those who bought houses they can't afford
The War tyrants de-stabilizing the Middle East
terrorism terrorist groups
drugs drug addicts
high taxes (more so on the poor I might add) can i get an amen ?? the poor don't pay an appreciable amount of taxes, but high taxes on the non-poor are caused by the voters re-electing politicians who raise taxes
the value of our currency the rise in the standard of living, education, and rights of citizens of other countries
$150 barrel of oil supply and demand, aka, the consumer (yes, that's you)
48 billion in profits in a quarter what's wrong with profit? I thought that was the point of business? do you understand profit margin? i guess you're a socialist?
over payed athletes the consumer of sports as entertainment
over payed actors the consumer of movies and television as entertainment
price of medical care employer-provided health insurance
good inventions being suppressed for the sake of the all mighty dollar you must be nuts. the reason something is a good invention is because it will sell. good inventions equal dollars
liberals you mean like those who think companies should not make profits? or that the poor are paying taxes? or that the "almighty dollar" is no good reason to market an invention? or who don't understand simple economics? what exactly is a 'liberal'? i guess you mean supporters of gay marriage and abortion?
anti gun organizations the politics of fear
peta some people like animals more than people
immigration you mean illegal immigration? or do you really have a problem with all immigration? the illegal immigrants are to blame for illegal immigration. voters are to blame for allowing them to be here illegally without reprimand
dictators people who don't have the ability to exercise rights, who don't have a vibrant economy, and who are victims of their own country of birth are the enablers of dictators. unfortunately fixing this causes the devaluation of the dollar, higher oil prices, etc. which do you prefer?
news media you have a problem with the news media in general? or just liberal bias in the news media? who is to be held responsible for the news media? i think it's the news consumer.

So who is to be held responsible???
I can think of no one better than ourself.

Yes we are to be held responsible for all of this. But you have demonstrated why we do this. We are, as a whole, generally uninformed and lack understanding of cause and effect, so we make mistakes at the ballot box and when we choose what to consume, and then cry out for someone else to save us from these mistakes which we will not admit, and believe that politicians will indeed do the impossible when we vote for them.

We ask for the impossible, and we get foolishness in return.

[Kerbouchard]

So who is to be held responsible???
I can think of no one better than ourself.

Since you asked, I will tell you who I think we have to blame. The founders of the Constitution who insisted upon us becoming a democracy. Democracies do not work. They never have, and they never will. Once the general population realizes they can vote their way into the treasury, the economy cannot stand up to it. Once the general population realizes they can vote somebody in who will give them something for nothing, the workforce cannot stand up to it. Once the general population realizes they can vote for something that is not in the best interests of the country just because they want 'change' the democracy cannot stand up to it.

It's our founders fault. They knew the dangers of a democracy. They had the histories of thousands of years of mankind trying to make it work, and they thought they found a way to fix it. They imposed severe limitations on what the government was allowed to do. Their fault was for not including the punishment to exceeding those limits. They acknowledged certain rights as being self-evident, but included them in the Bill of Rights anyway, and then chose to be flowery in the wording rather than being direct.

They knew they could not think of everything the country may encounter in the future years, so they included a way to change it and a few vague lines.

But their main fault, was for including the beginning of Article 1, Section 8 into the Constitution.

Section. 8. The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

That one small phrase, 'provide for the common Defence and general Welfare' is what has put us into the situation we are in. We would be a lot better off if the Government would leave the 'general Welfare' of the population to it's citizens and communities.

It is unfortunate that the Government has so taken advantage of that one single line to violate so many of its other restrictions.

[drw]

They imposed severe limitations on what the government was allowed to do. Their fault was for not including the punishment to exceeding those limits.

You have identified the exact reason for the problem of an out of control government. Without consequences, tyrants can simply ignore the constitution at their leisure, and they have.

"Congress shall make no law..." is meaningless if there is no punishment for the case when they DO make a law that was specifically prohibited.

[lunchbox]

yes i understand profit margin but how do you explain walmarts profit being considerably lower but their gross was a great deal higher than exon
i know they are there to make money but making on the backs of struggling Americans is wrong i dont buy that supply and demand line one bit

[mr.72]

yes i understand profit margin but how do you explain walmarts profit being considerably lower but their gross was a great deal higher than exon

See why I question your understanding of profit margin?

Also Exxon has a huge cost at risk that Wal Mart does not have to carry. They have to invest in new supply development years in advance of when they are going to pay off. Wal Mart has to invest in new product only days or weeks before it will pay off. Exxon has to employ a large number of skilled workers and maintain a larger professional workforce compared to Wal Mart. This is apples to oranges. You take higher risks with products, you earn higher margins.

i know they are there to make money but making on the backs of struggling Americans is wrong i dont buy that supply and demand line one bit

You don't buy the supply and demand line? Stop buying gas if it's too expensive. That reduces demand. If everyone does that, then the price will go down. That's the way it works! Eventually even the hated Exxon will go out of business if everyone does this.

And about "making [money] on the backs of struggling Americans", how does anyone who sells anything not do this? Like Wal Mart? Maybe Winchester with ammo? You want no companies to make a profit? Or only companies who sell stuff to rich people who are not struggling can make a profit? Everything is free? Maybe the state should own all property and give it each according to their need? Or is it just oil companies that have to behave like socialists? This makes no sense.

[lunchbox]

i dont buy the supply and demand because they have made the supply low on purpose to make the price go up
and the profits never been this high not even close
theres more here than meets the eye its not just economics 101 here

[mr.72]

i dont buy the supply and demand because they have made the supply low on purpose to make the price go up
and the profits never been this high not even close
theres more here than meets the eye its not just economics 101 here

The supply is not limited by Exxon... and regardless of what the supply restriction is, it is indeed low enough to support the high oil prices.

If not, then the prices would go down. Doesn't matter what is causing supply to be reduced, whether it's American politicians or Saudi princes. But if you think the problem with gasoline prices is Exxon making a profit then you definitely don't get economics 101 or if you do, you might just be a socialist.

[DoubleJ]

I thought the supply was the same, and the demand was the same, but the reason the price had gone up was due to the Oil Speculations or Futures. These guys that invest in oil futures were betting that the price would go up. and so the price went up. I dunno, saw some thing on C-Span 'bout it.