Big Brother, May I? Domestic Travel Restrictions

[atxgun]

No hard feelings if the mods take this down for not being directly gun related. However I thought this may be of interest to forum members that are against a freedom restricting police state..

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Big Brother, May I? Soon, You'll Need Uncle Sam's Permission to Travel Almost Anywhere

Last year, I wrote that if Uncle Sam gets his way, we'd all be on no-fly lists, unless the government gives us permission to leave - or re-enter - the United States.

That day has now arrived, but in addition to obtaining Big Brother's permission to travel internationally, a final rule pursuant to the U.S. Transportation Security Administration's "Secure Flight" initiative says we must now get it to travel from state-to-state."

At some point in the future, you'll need to reveal your name, gender, and date of birth when you make a domestic airline reservation. The airline will contact TSA to determine if you're cleared to board. If you're on any of TSA's watchlists (which include such deceased "terrorists" as Saddam Hussein, along with live ones such as Sen. Edward Kennedy), you'll need to provide an official document acceptable for federal identification purposes in order to travel.

Examples of acceptable identity documents are passports and the "enhanced" driver's licenses required under the ill-fated "Real ID Act." If you can't produce such a document, you can't board the plane.

This is the first time the U.S. government has restricted the right of sovereign citizens to travel inside the United States since the Civil War. And the TSA is imposing this restriction, despite numerous rulings from the Supreme Court indicating that you have a Constitutional right to travel.

According to the court, the right to travel is "not a mere conditional liberty subject to regulation and control under conventional due process or equal protection standards," but "a virtually unconditional personal right." International travel is specifically protected as well, for "Travel abroad, like travel within the country, may be necessary for a livelihood...Freedom of movement is basic to our scheme of values."

Further, the U.S. government has reiterated in its most recent report to the United Nations Human Rights Committee that, "...n the United States, the right to travel—both domestically and internationally—is constitutionally protected." Perhaps it's time the government amend this declaration!

What this amounts to is essentially a reprise of the infamous "internal passport" system in effect in the former Soviet Union. In 1933, Soviet dictator Josef Stalin introduced "internal passports" that prohibited Soviet citizens from leaving their place of residence without permission.

Over time, the internal passport became the prime instrument of Soviet oppression over its citizens.

It's bad enough needing to ask Uncle Sam for permission to leave the United States, and to reenter it. But an internal passport is a blueprint for totalitarianism.

MARK NESTMANN, Privacy Expert &
President of The Nestmann Group
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[AEA]

Will never happen without Civil unrest. If something like this did happen, I suspect that it would be the last straw and the Government would be overthrown.

[stroo]

You have a right to travel between states. You don't have a right to FLY anywhere.

[Captain Matt]

They already infringe on the right to bear arms on airlines. This isn't any worse.

[anygunanywhere]

They already infringe on the right to bear arms on airlines. This isn't any worse.

You are lucky Frankie-the-Yankee isn't around. He would be all over you like a rat on a cheeto.

Anygunanywhere

[Captain Matt]

Should I have used the "unreasonable search and seizure" example instead?
They banned bottled water! Requiring real names and valid ID is small potatoes.

[anygunanywhere]

Should I have used the "unreasonable search and seizure" example instead?
They banned bottled water! Requiring real names and valid ID is small potatoes.

Naw. Frankie used to argue that if law abiding citizens were allowed to carry on planes and if machine guns were lehal then there would be Mac-10 vending machines in airoports and terrorists would be armed with machine guns...

You had to be here. It really was all about private property rights and stuff.

Anygunanywhere

[anygunanywhere]

If this goes into affect there won't be a peep. The vast majority of citizens are too ignorant to notice/care.

As long as they can board the plane, they won't care one iota if their name is looked up in a database or not.

Exactly.

I recently made up my mind that apart from work I will never fly again. The hassles are not worth the trouble. Why pay to sit in a crowded plane and breathe dirty air, and still have to put up with TSA?

We are headed to San Diego next April for a submarine crew reunion. Did you know that if you are in downtown El Paso and you want to go to the beach it is faster to drive to San Diego than Corpus Christi?

Anygunanywhere

[flb_78]

Every time I've flown, I've had to show a boarding pass and ID. I don't think this is new.

[KBCraig]

Every time I've flown, I've had to show a boarding pass and ID. I don't think this is new.

What's new, is that you never had to show ID before. Now you will.

[killerfly128]

We are headed to San Diego next April for a submarine crew reunion. Did you know that if you are in downtown El Paso and you want to go to the beach it is faster to drive to San Diego than Corpus Christi?

Anygunanywhere

Yep, used to do this with a few of my army buddys when i was stationed at bliss. Good weekends

[DoubleJ]

They already infringe on the right to bear arms on airlines. This isn't any worse.

You are lucky Frankie-the-Yankee isn't around. He would be all over you like a rat on a cheeto.

Anygunanywhere

ah, the good ol' days...

[sivart-dod]

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[Kythas]

We are headed to San Diego next April for a submarine crew reunion. Did you know that if you are in downtown El Paso and you want to go to the beach it is faster to drive to San Diego than Corpus Christi?

Anygunanywhere

I remember driving from Corpus Christi to Los Angeles on a family trip in high school. El Paso was almost exactly the halfway point.

Just puts into perspective how big our Great State of Texas is.