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Arrest made in killing of homeless man on UH campus

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Arrest made in killing of homeless man on UH campus
By DALE LEZON
Copyright 2009 Houston Chronicle
April 23, 2009, 2:10PM

Police have arrested a suspect accused in the shooting death of a homeless man on the University of Houston central campus earlier this year.

Jeremy Lee Pierce, 32, has been charged with murder in the slaying of Joe David Tall Feb. 7, officials said.

Police said Tall, 47, was shot in the back of the head as he slept at a bus stop in the 3500 block of Cullen some time before 6:30 a.m.

Police officials said Pierce, who is a UH student, was detained after he was in a confrontation with two friends on campus Wednesday.

Police said he threatened his friends, who are also UH students, with a gun. He was arrested by campus police. During the investigation, the two friends told campus police that Pierce had admitted to them that he had killed the homeless man, officials said.

HPD investigators interviewed Pierce and obtained a recorded statement in which he admitted fatally shooting Tall.

Pierce is scheduled to appear in court to face the charge Friday. He remains in the Harris County Jail in lieu of a $75,000 bail.

No information was immediately available about the arrest or what led to the shooting. But police have earlier said they believed the slaying was a "thrill kill."

Tall's family said at the time of the killing that Tall had been diagnosed with schizophrenia at about 15 years old. He had left the family's northeast home at 19 years old and lived on the streets for about 30 years.

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This idiot isn't going to help the Campus Carry Bill.
I don't see that this crime has anything to do with legal carrying by CHL holders in colleges.

This guy reportedly broke quite a few laws and rules, including murder. His actions illustrate that laws and rules do nothing to stop criminals.

I have never heard of a CHL holder committing a "thrill killing." I suspect that someone who does that kind of thing will already have a criminal or mental health history that would prevent him from getting a CHL. That kind of profile usually starts in adolescence.

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Let's hope he wasn't a CHL. I just made the comment that this just gives the "antis" more ammunition about guns on campus. He not only committed the shooting on campus but he also threatened his friends on campus after he was stupid enough to admit (brag?) to shooting the poor guy.
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Pete92FS wrote:This idiot isn't going to help the Campus Carry Bill.
I tend to think it will help. ETA: (Unless he's a CHL. Then, this post is wrong.)

"See, there are already people with guns on campus illegally. Now, with this Campus Carry Bill, responsible, licensed adults will be able to repond to threats of deadly force against them if necessary."

I contend that there are dozens of guns on each of the campuses of the universities in Texas, they just aren't there legally (as this idiot proves). Also, at age 32, I'm making the assumption that he doesn't live in a dorm, so that's a null when it comes to the 'guns in dorms' debate.

All it shows is one more instance where two people may have needed to defend themselves and were unarmed by the school's administration during the confrontation. This maroon could have killed two more people had the campus police not intervened.
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:iagree: with UpTheIrons :iagree: It should help
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Also, at age 32, I'm making the assumption that he doesn't live in a dorm,...
Other reports said that he lived on campus. They also said that it was not clear whether he was currently enrolled as a student.

I know that a lot of people go back to college after their 20s these days, especially with economic dislocations that cause people to train for new professions; but there is quite a history of hangers-on at college going on rampages. Charles Whitman, age 25, was one. There have been many others.

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I tend to agree that this may just help our cause. Anybody that would kill an innocent homeless man sleeping on a bus bench, is very sick. I can't believe that this was the first time he did anything like this. He didn't just all of a sudden turn into a killer...he was a killer before he pulled the trigger. There is not much telling what else he has done, or what may turn up in the investigation.

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seamusTX wrote:
Also, at age 32, I'm making the assumption that he doesn't live in a dorm,...
Other reports said that he lived on campus. They also said that it was not clear whether he was currently enrolled as a student.

I know that a lot of people go back to college after their 20s these days, especially with economic dislocations that cause people to train for new professions; but there is quite a history of hangers-on at college going on rampages. Charles Whitman, age 25, was one. There have been many others.

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I haven't seen any of the other reports, so I can't comment for sure if he lived on campus or not. But, if I remember correctly, Whitman didn't live on campus. I saw some stats the other day (was it somewhere on this forum?) that more college students these days are older than in the past, making an older student body is more common than ever, as you said. Which also means that there is a greater likelihood that CHL holders will be among this older student body.

If we could somehow get this stat through the thick, (seemingly) uranium-coated skulls of the antis, maybe they'd realize that not all college students are drunk 19 year olds. But, the facts don't fit their template, so I guess were back to square one again.
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A more detailed report from Chron.com below ....

This guy did live on campus. I lived in "Cougar Place" myself during my time at UH. It is on-campus housing for upper classman, similar in outward appearance to an old apartment complex, but it does qualify as a dorm. So anyone living here - as I did in 1995-96 - is prohibited by law from having a gun in their residence (though I guess technically you could keep it locked up in your vehicle?)

Anyway, I think this helps the pro CHL on campus cause. Anyone who has ever visited this campus, gone to school there, or lived on this campus knows how rough the surrounding neighorhood is. I was living on campus when CHL became legal in 1995, but had no way to legally carry because I lived on campus (where was I supposed to put my gun, legally?) Just simple drives to the grocery store from campus involved some very treacherous areas of town. This is not a place I would want my daughter to live unless she had some serious protection. And, sorry UH officials, but 500 camears and 50 campus cops don't cut it (see end of article below).

Maybe this story, if given in proper context to the rough surrounding neighborhood (notice in the story below how students were on edge thinking this was a gang initiation? a very plausible scenario in that part of Houston), will help Texans understand that not all college campuses in this state are located in idealic little college towns far removed from serious inner city violence, where the worst crimes on a Saturday night are drunk and disorderly frat boys. Not everyone goes to A&M or Texas Tech or Baylor. Some college students honestly NEED guns for protection.


Arrest made in killing of homeless man at UH
By DALE LEZON and JAMES PINKERTON Copyright 2009 Houston Chronicle
April 23, 2009, 8:58PM

It was a horrifying crime that intruded on an otherwise peaceful campus. Early on the morning of Feb. 7, passing students noticed that a man sleeping on a bus stop bench on the University of Houston central campus had been shot to death.

The discovery was made on a weekend when the campus was teeming with high school students attending a track meet, and many watched police examine the body behind a cordoned-off crime scene.

The victim, Joe David Tall, a 47-year-old drifter from the Northeast who had battled mental illness since he was a teenager, had been shot in the back of the head at close range.

Police on Thursday announced the arrest of a 32-year-old UH student, Jeremy Lee Pierce. He is charged with murder and remains in the Harris County Jail in lieu of $75,000 bail. A court hearing is scheduled for Friday.

The arrest was a relief for students who have lived with a feeling of unease since the shooting.

“I was a little concerned because the guy got shot where I’m supposed to take the bus,” said David Woods, a 25-year-old pharmacy student who lives at the same apartment complex as Pierce. “I haven’t been taking the bus at all since then. It’s a relief.”

But while it ended speculation the slaying was part of a gang initiation rite or a spillover of violence from adjoining neighborhoods, the arrest failed to answer the real question of why. Investigators have not released a motive for the killing.

Several students spoke of what they termed Pierce’s “peculiar” behavior, describing how he often carried on loud conversations with himself and spent much of his time inside the fenced grounds of Cougar Place, a rambling student apartment complex of two-story buildings.

“He would lay out on the concrete sidewalk, like screaming things,” said Jasmine Hall, a 20-year-old junior who lives in the complex. “I had no idea what he was saying; I would go the other way. Ask around. Everybody noticed him.”

Hall said she did not feel threatened by Pierce, despite his behavior.

“I don’t think he was a violent person by nature,” she said. “I think he suffers from other issues.”

Another Cougar Place resident who had several classes with the suspect said Pierce once followed him and a friend to the campus gymnasium. When they finished their workouts, they noticed he followed them back to the apartment, he said.

“He was always walking around” alone on the grounds of the complex, said the student, who asked only to be identified as Jermaine. “One time, he walked in, talking to himself. His skin was bloodshot all over, and he appeared drunk.”

The student said he had several sociology classes with Pierce, who told him he had dropped all but one class. Eventually, he stopped going to class at all, the student said.

University police said Pierce was detained Wednesday after he was involved in a confrontation with two friends, fellow students, on campus. Police said he threatened the pair with a gun. During the subsequent investigation, officials said the two told police Pierce had admitted to them that he had killed the homeless Tall.

Brad Wigtil, assistant chief of the university Department of Public Safety, said HPD investigators interviewed Pierce and obtained a recorded statement in which he admitted to fatally shooting Tall.

Suspect’s past
Aside from recollections from fellow students, little was known about Pierce Thursday. He graduated from Galveston College last May with an associate of arts degree in general studies, college officials confirmed. According to public records, he was convicted in 2005 of burglary of habitation in Wichita County and sentenced to 205 days in jail.

In the wake of the arrest, University officials on Thursday tried to allay student fears about campus safety, issuing a press release noting the campus is equipped with more than 500 security cameras and patrolled by nearly 50 police officers and two dozen security guards.

“It’s frightening,” Hall said. “Being in this neighborhood, already you have to be on guard. You think you’d be safe on campus.”

Reporters Jeannie Kever, Anita Hassan and Allan Turner contributed to this report.

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According to public records, he was convicted in 2005 of burglary of habitation in Wichita County and sentenced to 205 days in jail.
If that is true, the man is a convicted felon and not legally allowed to touch a firearm.

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I simply do not understand the "reasoning" exemplified by the coment about the "neighborhood" and what would make the campus which is surrounded by that same neighborhood "safe" simply because it is a college campus. Has the administration erected some kind of "force field around the perimiter" designed to repuls bad guys should they attempt entry? If so I need to do some serious investigating, I need one around my place here in the country!

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The neighborhood around UT is not a place where I would go for a stroll at night (I have been there). But so what? A student at the university killed an apparently innocent man outside the campus.

Maybe the people who live around there should worry more about the "students."

Here's a more detailed article about this incident:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6388658.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The University of Houston student accused of killing a homeless man on campus earlier this year considers himself a vigilante intent on cleaning crime from Houston, police said....

Miller said that Pierce admitted he had particular disdain for homeless people.
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