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TSA sued over suspicionless detention of political activist

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Uh Ohhhh...

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In April, Transportation Security Administration agents detained Steve Bierfeldt at Lambert-St. Louis International Airport for no other reason than that he was carrying $4,700 in cash. The move immediately proved to be something of a public relations disaster, since the cash belonged to Rep. Ron Paul's libertarian-oriented Campaign for Liberty, of which Bierfeldt is the director of development, and the political activist used his cell phone to record the incident (mp3), including abusive language directed his way. Now the confrontation has sparked a lawsuit against the TSA, with the American Civil Liberties Union arguing Bierfeldt's case.

In the wake of Bierfeldt's detention, TSA brass made it clear they knew they had stepped in a PR mess as the confrontation immediately made the rounds of the Internet and television. On its official blog, the TSA conceded:

A Transportation Security Administration (TSA) employee and members of the St. Louis Airport Police Department can be heard on the audio recording. The tone and language used by the TSA employee was inappropriate. TSA holds its employees to the highest professional standards. TSA will continue to investigate this matter and take appropriate action.

But the TSA never backed down from the idea that carrying cash is enough reason to detail travelers or corrected its agents' refusal to answer Bierfeldt's pointed but polite questions about the legitimate scope of their authority. That suggests that the practice will continue, moderated only by the occasional apology directed to politically connected victims. That's not enough for Bierfeldt. He says:

"Most Americans would be surprised to learn that TSA considers simply carrying cash to be a basis for detention and questioning. I hope the court makes clear that my detention by TSA agents was unconstitutional and stops TSA from engaging in these unlawful searches and arrests. I do not want another innocent American to have to endure what I went through."

The ACLU is involved for the same reason -- to make sure the TSA goes beyond an embarrassed mea culpa and alters its procedures so that other travelers are no longer at risk of suspicionless detention and questioning. Larry Schwartztol, a staff attorney with the ACLU National Security Project, protests, "Mr. Bierfeldt's experience represents a troubling pattern of TSA attempting to transform its valid but limited search authority into a license to invade people's privacy in a manner that would never be accepted outside the airport context."

The ACLU's complaint (PDF) against Janet Napolitano, in her capacity as Secretary of Homeland Security, points out that the TSA's authority to search airline passengers is limited to specific threats such as guns and bombs. Suspicionless searches of people who pose no apparent danger fall outside that limited, court-recognized exception to the Fourth Amendment.

The lawsuit asks the court to declare the TSA's actions to be in violation of the Constitution and to permanently enjoin the government "from authorizing or conducting suspicionless pre-flight searches of passengers or their belongings for items other than weapons and explosives."

The suit also seeks legal costs and any other relief deemed proper by the court.
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I have to wonder if this will create a situation where the TSA and any other alphabet agency can "reasonably" determine that anyone going through the proper procedures and declaring a firearm will be given additional scrutiny now...

I've also noticed a decline of threads discussing the ups and downs of this issue lately...

My question would be...What would be considered a "reasonable amount" of cash that could be carried by a citizen to avoid detainment and additional scrutiny??? And who sets it???

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Nice find Stevie.

It'll be interesting to see what happens.

With no definition of what constitutes a suspicious amount of cash, people will be forced to use only their credit cards when traveling. Hmmmm.... wonder why that might be an objective? :shock:
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The ACLU's complaint (PDF) against Janet Napolitano, in her capacity as Secretary of Homeland Security, points out that the TSA's authority to search airline passengers is limited to specific threats such as guns and bombs.


Even if this succeeds they will just have someone from ATF or whatever on hand to try to get what they need for an asset forfeiture(robbery).
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Francine Kerner, TSA Chief Counsel wrote:TSA officers routinely come across evidence of criminal activity at the airport checkpoint. Examples include evidence of illegal drug trafficking, money laundering, and violations of currency reporting requirements prior to international trips.

When presented with a passenger carrying a large sum of money through the screening checkpoint, the TSA officer will frequently engage in dialog with the passenger to determine whether a referral to law-enforcement authorities is warranted.

The TSA officer may consider all circumstances in making the assessment, including the behavior and credibility of the passenger. Thus, a failure to be forthcoming may inform a TSA officer’s decision to call law-enforcement authorities.
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http://www.aclu.org/safefree/general/39 ... 90618.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This garbage has been going on for decades. Someone found to be carrying a large amount of cash (usually over $10,000) is presumed to have obtained the money illegally or failed to pay income taxes.

So much for the 4th and 5th amendments. Oh, and that old canard, "If you didn't do anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about..." :grumble

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More lawsuits like this are exactly what this country needs. Wanton, politically-based abuses of power need to be stopped.
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Update:

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Suit accuses TSA of unreasonable airport detention
By JIM SALTER

ST. LOUIS (AP) — A lawsuit filed Thursday against the Transportation Security Administration alleges a Ron Paul supporter was unreasonably detained at the St. Louis airport because he was carrying about $4,700 in cash.

The American Civil Liberties Union filed the lawsuit on behalf of Steven Bierfeldt, director of development for the Campaign for Liberty, an organization that grew out of Ron Paul's 2008 presidential campaign.

The organization had hosted an event in St. Louis that included the sale of tickets, T-shirts, stickers and other materials and Bierfeldt said he was carrying the cash proceeds in a metal box when he was detained at Lambert Airport for about 30 minutes on March 29.

The lawsuit does not seek money but asks the court to declare the TSA's actions unconstitutional and to prohibit the agency from similar searches when there is no evidence aircraft are endangered.

"It's obviously important that the safety of flights be ensured," Bierfeldt said in a telephone interview. "But subjecting innocent travelers like me who are doing nothing wrong — I think it diverts TSA away from its core mission of safeguarding air travel."

TSA spokesman Greg Soule said the agency would not comment on pending litigation.

Bierfeldt said he refused to answer when a TSA official asked what was in the box. Another TSA official arrived, and Bierfeldt was taken into a separate room where he used an iPhone in his jacket pocket to record the officials' questioning.

An audio clip provided by the ACLU includes repeated questions from a TSA official about why Bierfeldt was carrying so much money, and his repeated refusal to answer. On one occasion, the questioner swears and asks, "Is there any reason you're not answering questions?"

Bierfeldt answers, "Am I legally required to answer the question?"

Soule said while there is no limit to the amount of cash a person can travel with domestically, travelers must cooperate with the TSA screening process.

"Cooperation may involve answering questions about their property," Soule said. "A passenger who refuses to answer questions may be referred to appropriate authorities for further inquiry."
Based upon what???
Bierfeldt's attorney, Ben Wizner, said the lawsuit does not challenge TSA's authority to search and detain those suspected of taking weapons, explosives or other dangerous objects onto planes.

"That's the whole purpose of airport searches," Wizner said. "These are not, however, open-ended criminal searches."
Jim, we may all need some insight on this stuff...
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I see this getting stretched a little bit...And since some of us fly with declared firearms, packed and stowed per "airline" guidelines and go thru the hoops to do this...

If I declare a firearm, and someone, anyone from the counter personnel, to the "screeners" asks me, "Why do you need to travel with a gun?"

Would my non-cooperative answer at that time be reason for additional scrutiny by other authorities???

I can only see that my answer to that intrusion would be, "I have declared my firearm per the requirements of the airline and other authorities, nothing beyond that am I required to inform or explain to anyone in this process, are you detaining me, or am I free to go?"

Of course all of this is begining to form up the idea that it might be good for everyone to invest in a nice little digital recorder to have on hand in my pocket, just to make sure I can document everything...

I mean really, I hate to be such a pain about stuff like this, and the last thing I would want is for anyone to have to deal with issues like this, but it really puts the guard up...

Or reinforces my desire to not fly very much anymore...

Sad...I like flying...
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Actually, come to think of it...

It sure would have been easier to transfer the cash to a mechanism that didn't attract much attention...Money order, cashiers check or something that allows a safe way to secure the amount, and yet allow it to travel in a much less noticable manner...

The whole declaring a firearm thing just got me off kilter in my thought process...

But I still believe having a nice little recorder handy is a good way to keep your thoughts and future notes in order... :thumbs2:
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seamusTX wrote:This garbage has been going on for decades. Someone found to be carrying a large amount of cash (usually over $10,000) is presumed to have obtained the money illegally or failed to pay income taxes.
Unless the flight is going to Vegas (Atlantic City, or pick a gambling destination)...I would propose that it might be good to pre-dispose the reasonings behind the large sum of cash to be "spending money", and be smart enough to deduce that and not bother to broach the subject in the first place...

See, to me it is getting harder and harder to justify the intrusions, yet they still happen, and new ways are being added to the list to exploit...
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The powers that be, in their infinite wisdom, have decided that we must submit to searches before boarding a commercial aircraft. Given the number of hijackings over the years, and incidents like Richard Reid, the shoe bomber, it is difficult to argue against that.

In my perfect world, the TSA would be permitted to investigate only materials that could jeopardize the safety of the flight that you are presently boarding. If you had the collected speeches of Osama bin Laden on CD, a wad of cash, a profane T-shirt, a kilo of hashish, or anything else that is not connected to flight safety, it would be none of their business.

However, that is not the world that we live in. Unless this lawsuit succeeds, the situation is not going to change.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and speculate that the court will dismiss the case on the grounds that Mr. Bierfeldt was not unduly inconvenienced or deprived of his property.

I'm going to address in advance one of the objections that is often raised in these discussions: that flying is voluntary. Breathing is voluntary, when you come down to it. If you have to do business in the modern world, flying is often the only option. I used to fly a bit, and I sometimes had meetings in three cities in three days. You can't drive, take a bus, or ride a horse to play that game.

There is no other way to get to Hawaii or another continent.

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seamusTX wrote: There is no other way to get to Hawaii or another continent.
Boats?

Seriously though, I agree. This is ridiculous. Anyways, we all know that these security checkpoints only provide an illusion of security. If someone really wants to sneak something on a plane, they'll find a way.

Any system that is built by a human being, can be overcome by another human being. Nothing is perfect.

In the meantime, the sheep happily accept restrictions in their freedoms because they believe that it will keep them 'safe'.

Personally. I think people should be allowed to carry on airplanes... In reality, how are they different then city or charter buses, except the fact that they fly.
Plus, what terrorist in their right mind would attempt to hijack a plane if there were 100 possibly armed people on board?
And BTW.. that whole 'shoot out a window, and the plane rips apart' stuff depicted in movies is bunk. Would not happen. Proved it on Mythbusters :P
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i guess they would also question a check, money order or any legal redeemable document made out to yourself, too
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If you had a check or other negotiable instrument, you could put it into a folder or between the pages of a book. They probably wouldn't find that.

This guy's problem seems to be that he had a lot of small bills in a metal box. If the money was the proceeds of a fund-raiser where they sold things like bumper stickers, he probably had nothing bigger than a $20. $4700 in 20s would be 235 bills. If some of it was $5s and $10s, it would be an even bigger bundle.

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I'm thinking wallet...With a check or cashiers check in it...

When the fishing expeditions start going that deep, I believe we will be in bigger trouble elsewhere...

If he had not had this "box" with the cash in it to begin with, we would not be having this discussion...

I'm all for not giving anyone an excuse or reason to "ask" me anything in situations like this...
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