Holder Reveals Aggressive Gun Control In Response to Ft Hood

[Dudley]

Holder wants more innocent people to die. Nothing to see. Move along.

[Mike1951]

Found this article about Senator Lautenberg's bill:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7ab_1253999828" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Status of both bills in Thomas:

S.1317
Title: A bill to increase public safety by permitting the Attorney General to deny the transfer of firearms or the issuance of firearms and explosives licenses to known or suspected dangerous terrorists.
Sponsor: Sen Lautenberg, Frank R. [NJ] (introduced 6/22/2009) Cosponsors (2)
Related Bills: H.R.2159
Latest Major Action: 6/22/2009 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary.
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ALL ACTIONS:
6/22/2009:
Read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary.

and

H.R.2159
Title: To increase public safety by permitting the Attorney General to deny the transfer of a firearm or the issuance of firearms or explosives licenses to a known or suspected dangerous terrorist.
Sponsor: Rep King, Peter T. [NY-3] (introduced 4/29/2009) Cosponsors (12)
Related Bills: S.1317
Latest Major Action: 6/12/2009 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security.
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ALL ACTIONS:
4/29/2009:
Referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary.
6/12/2009:
Referred to the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security.

Before either of these gains any traction, we'll hear about it from the NRA and TSRA.

[Skiprr]

After explaining and defending his decision to give enemy combatants constitutional protections and the right to public trial in civilian courts, Attorney General Holder revealed his support for a national gun owner registration scheme and authorizing the government to ban firearm possession for any person by merely adding that person's name to the terror watch list.

Eric Holder is a Rook in the current administration's silent assault on the Second Amendment.

I was extremely pleased to see him roasted over a hot grill these past few days.

[pdubyoo]

Eric Holder is a Rook in the current administration's silent assault on the Second Amendment.

I was extremely pleased to see him roasted over a hot grill these past few days.

I was thinking Pawn instead of Rook. The decision to move the trial to NYC instead of Guantanamo and make it a criminal trial instead of a military trial, is not a decision the AG is authorized to make alone. He had to have a knod from BHO to do that. Then Barry says that he wasn't involved in the decision to move the venue, etc??? Please!!!!

Eric Holder is just as dangerous as Barry. If this trial gets moved to a criminal court without KSM being read his Miranda Rights, doesn't all the evidence that was gathered for a military trial become inadmissive? Plus, KSM gets all the rights and priveledges of an American citizen?? This whole thing has me spitting nails. And now, Holder is backing a gun registration program?? Where does the insanity end? Can we wait until 2010 to crack the whip?

[UpTheIrons]

Eric Holder is just as dangerous as Barry. If this trial gets moved to a criminal court without KSM being read his Miranda Rights, doesn't all the evidence that was gathered for a military trial become inadmissive? Plus, KSM gets all the rights and priveledges of an American citizen?? This whole thing has me spitting nails. And now, Holder is backing a gun registration program?? Where does the insanity end? Can we wait until 2010 to crack the whip?

As bad as Lindsey Graham can be on some things, he just nails AG Holder's hide to the wall here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG7lm8Sfbo4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This is the real problem. We catch bin Laden tomorrow, and all of a sudden he's shipped to the Feds so they can Mirandize him and let him be silent. No interrogation allowed. Wonderful.

[Purplehood]

The sad thing is that something like this does have the potential to worm its way through the system. The precedence was set by the Patriot Act with its equal abuse of the term "due process".

[stevie_d_64]

You guys heard anything about this?

It's been in the wings since the get go...It only needed a good crisis like this to get traction...Rahm Emanuel has been quoted as saying, "Never waste a good crisis."

So I am not surprised...

There are so many other things that are going to put at risk our right to keep and bear arms, that most of these revelations are going to be used as smoke screens to hide the more drastic moves that will be made after 8pm EST tomorrow night...

I'll let y'all figure out what that is...

[stevie_d_64]

Eric Holder is just as dangerous as Barry. If this trial gets moved to a criminal court without KSM being read his Miranda Rights, doesn't all the evidence that was gathered for a military trial become inadmissive? Plus, KSM gets all the rights and priveledges of an American citizen?? This whole thing has me spitting nails. And now, Holder is backing a gun registration program?? Where does the insanity end? Can we wait until 2010 to crack the whip?

As bad as Lindsey Graham can be on some things, he just nails AG Holder's hide to the wall here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG7lm8Sfbo4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This is the real problem. We catch bin Laden tomorrow, and all of a sudden he's shipped to the Feds so they can Mirandize him and let him be silent. No interrogation allowed. Wonderful.

Well, birds get sucked up into jet engines ALL the time...The odds are incredible...And OBL can always get that parachute packed with someones laundry...By mistake of course...

Same thing can happen to KSM, and the rest of the goobers coming to NYC...

Man, that would be a shame wouldn't it???

[casingpoint]

doesn't all the evidence that was gathered for a military trial become inadmissive

It's possible the President has a repressed desire to see those guys get off light or even walk due to his Islamic background.

[AEA]

I cannot believe that the people of the United States (including all the nut cases) would allow terrorist Muslims that killed over 3000 people to "walk" or even get a "light" sentence.

If they do,.......it will be time for me to find another place to live.

[pdubyoo]

doesn't all the evidence that was gathered for a military trial become inadmissive

It's possible the President has a repressed desire to see those guys get off light or even walk due to his Islamic background.

Now THAT would be a treasonous act. I would expect impeachment proceedings to start immediately.

[03Lightningrocks]

The sad thing is that something like this does have the potential to worm its way through the system. The precedence was set by the Patriot Act with its equal abuse of the term "due process".

Yep...your right! This is all Bushes fault too. Good lord, when will the finger pointing ever end???? I guess as long as Oduma is in office?

[chabouk]

The sad thing is that something like this does have the potential to worm its way through the system. The precedence was set by the Patriot Act with its equal abuse of the term "due process".

Yep...your right! This is all Bushes fault too. Good lord, when will the finger pointing ever end???? I guess as long as Oduma is in office?

Why does finger-pointing mean partisanship?

There are plenty of fingers to point at Obama, at GWB, at Clinton, at GHWB, on backwards through history. I think the abuse of federal power was President George Washington using armed troops to put down the Whiskey Rebellion. The problem with government is that it doesn't like to be constrained to its constitutional bounds. That's why Jefferson advocated a revolution every generation.

[jsimmons]

After explaining and defending his decision to give enemy combatants constitutional protections and the right to public trial in civilian courts, Attorney General Holder revealed his support for a national gun owner registration scheme and authorizing the government to ban firearm possession for any person by merely adding that person's name to the terror watch list.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases ... 35237.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You guys heard anything about this?

It's as expected. The anti-gun lobby is trying to use the Ft Hood event as a basis for establishing more control on guns. The thing is that the Ft Hood shooter wasn't ON a terrorist watch list,so how would enacting this kind of legislation have any effect on gun ownership by potential terrorist. Further, if the person was in fact a terrorist, the very nature of being a terrorist would probably obviate the disregard for *laws* regarding gun ownership, so making the law would be absurd in that respect.

These people have oatmeal for brains.