Senate health vote set for Saturday night

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By Alexander Bolton - 11/19/09 07:08 PM ET

Senate Democrats have cleared the way for a Saturday night vote to begin the healthcare debate, a Democratic aide said.

Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) has agreed to relent on his demand for Senate clerks to read aloud the 2,074-page bill and allow the chamber to take a critical test vote, said the aide. Reading the bill on the Senate floor was estimated to take as many as 30 hours or longer, raising the possibility of the Senate staying in session into next week.

The agreement to dispense with time-consuming procedural hurdles means that lawmakers will be able to catch flights back to their home states later in the evening on Saturday or early the next morning. This comes as welcome news for aides and other congressional workers who wrestled with the prospect of the Senate extending its session until Tuesday or Wednesday.

The Senate will vote at 8 pm Saturday to cut off debate on a motion to proceed to the healthcare reform bill. If 60 senators support the motion, the chamber would automatically adopt the motion to proceed to the bill and then depart. The Senate would begin amending the bill after the Thanksgiving recess.
My first knee-jerk reaction to this is why give them an opportunity, and luxury, to go home and enjoy Thanksgiving???

They are going to have 10 hours to debate this??? And then vote for cloture??? BULLBUTTER!!! They need to work through the holiday, starve, feel the pain of this before anything else...

Needless to say I am very dissapointed...

And they have a bribe in the actual bill:

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The $100 Million Health Care Vote?

What does it take to get a wavering senator to vote for health care reform?

Here’s a case study.

On page 432 of the Reid bill, there is a section increasing federal Medicaid subsidies for “certain states recovering from a major disaster.”

The section spends two pages defining which “states” would qualify, saying, among other things, that it would be states that “during the preceding 7 fiscal years” have been declared a “major disaster area.”

I am told the section applies to exactly one state: Louisiana, the home of moderate Democrat Mary Landrieu, who has been playing hard to get on the health care bill.

In other words, the bill spends two pages describing would could be written with a single world: Louisiana. (This may also help explain why the bill is long.)

Senator Harry Reid, who drafted the bill, cannot pass it without the support of Louisiana’s Mary Landrieu.

How much does it cost? According to the Congressional Budget Office: $100 million.

Here’s the incredibly complicated language:

SEC. 2006. SPECIAL ADJUSTMENT TO FMAP DETERMINATION FOR CERTAIN STATES RECOVERING FROM A MAJOR DISASTER.

Section 1905 of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1396d), as amended by sections 2001(a)(3) and
2001(b)(2), is amended— (1) in subsection (b), in the first sentence, by striking ‘‘subsection (y)’’ and inserting ‘‘subsections (y) and (aa)’’; and (2) by adding at the end the following new subsection:

‘‘(aa)(1) Notwithstanding subsection (b), beginning January 1, 2011, the Federal medical assistance percentage for a fiscal year for a disaster-recovery FMAP adjustment State shall be equal to the following:
‘(A) In the case of the first fiscal year (or part of a fiscal year) for which this subsection applies to the State, the Federal medical assistance percentage determined for the fiscal year without regard to this subsection and subsection (y), increased by 50 percent of the number of percentage points by which the Federal medical assistance percentage determined for the State for the fiscal year without regard to this subsection and subsection (y), is less than the Federal medical assistance percentage determined for the State for the preceding fiscal year after the application of only subsection (a) of section 5001 of Public Law 111–5 (if applicable to the preceding fiscal year) and without regard to this subsection, subsection (y), and subsections (b) and (c) of section 5001 of Public Law 111–5.

‘‘(B) In the case of the second or any succeeding fiscal year for which this subsection applies to the State, the Federal medical assistance percentage determined for the preceding fiscal year under this subsection for the State, increased by 25 percent of the number of percentage points by which the Federal medical assistance percentage determined for the State for the fiscal year without regard to this subsection and subsection (y), is less than the Federal medical assistance percentage determined for the State for the preceding fiscal year under this subsection.

‘‘(2) In this subsection, the term ‘disaster-recovery FMAP adjustment State’ means a State that is one of
the 50 States or the District of Columbia, for which, at any time during the preceding 7 fiscal years, the President has declared a major disaster under section 401 of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act and determined as a result of such disaster that every county or parish in the State warrant individual and public assistance or public assistance from the Federal Government under such Act and for which— ‘‘(A) in the case of the first fiscal year (or part of a fiscal year) for which this subsection applies to the State, the Federal medical assistance percentage determined for the State for the fiscal year without regard to this subsection and subsection (y), is less than the Federal medical assistance percentage determined for the State for the preceding fiscal year after the application of only subsection (a) of section 5001 of Public Law 111–5 (if applicable to the preceding fiscal year) and without regard to this subsection, subsection (y), and subsections (b) and (c) of section 5001 of Public Law 111–5, by at least 3 percentage points; and ‘‘(B) in the case of the second or any succeeding fiscal year for which this subsection applies to the State, the Federal medical assistance percentage determined for the State for the fiscal year without regard to this subsection and subsection (y), is less than the Federal medical assistance percentage determined for the State for the preceding fiscal year under this subsection by at least 3 percentage points.

‘‘(3) The Federal medical assistance percentage determined for a disaster-recovery FMAP adjustment State under paragraph (1) shall apply for purposes of this title (other than with respect to disproportionate share hospital payments described in section 1923 and payments under this title that are based on the enhanced FMAP described in 2105(b)) and shall not apply with respect to payments under title IV (other than under part E of title IV) or payments under title XXI.’’.
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What madness. Anyone voting for something without even reading it is not doing their job. I guess they can go over the details after its in place and the checks have been cashed.
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It wouldn't bother me to keep them there through Thanksgiving. ;-)

But, all they are really voting on is the ability to take the bill to the floor for further debate. They are not voting to actually pass the bill!
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Watch them! You'll wake up Sunday Morning to find you have Health Care you never knew about.
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It sickens me to say the least.
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if they get the 60 votes on Saturday night.... they HAVE passed the bill. Reid has managed a complete end around with this sorry piece of 2000+ page pile of trash. All it will take is 50 votes from the floor of the Senate for final passage when it comes up. No doubt that mr. "don't mess with joe" will be presiding over the senate like a vulture to cast the tie breaker...just in case.

It's a shame that Landreau appears to have sold the country out for 100 million... she probably could have been had for much less.

And I'd be willing to bet that there's language buried in all this... or will after the House/Senate "compromise".... that will create another branch of government that will control every aspect of health related "issues", including firearms.

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It went 60-39 with one Republican abstaining...So much for a filibuster...

I'm feeling rather socialistic today.../sarcasm

In keeping with the decorum of the forum...I will abstain from displaying my thoughts about a certain Senator from Louisiana who was bought for 300 million dollars...

Just keep in mind what I said in the other thread about this thing...This plan will have som many intrusive possibilities, that basically it will be to the whim or flavor of the month on what the government wants to control or eliminate from our lives, liberty and happiness...

As much as I lament to what good will a conservative rebound will be in 2010...I believe we need to keep on track and ensure that happens...There are a few more things that we need to protect...
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When this passes, will all politicians and other government employees be covered by the plan? Or did they opt out because they know socialist medicine won't work better than capitalist medicine?
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I don't blame Congress. If I had a trillion dollars at my disposal I'd be irresponsible, too.
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mr surveyor wrote:if they get the 60 votes on Saturday night.... they HAVE passed the bill. Reid has managed a complete end around with this sorry piece of 2000+ page pile of trash. All it will take is 50 votes from the floor of the Senate for final passage when it comes up. No doubt that mr. "don't mess with joe" will be presiding over the senate like a vulture to cast the tie breaker...just in case.

It's a shame that Landreau appears to have sold the country out for 100 million... she probably could have been had for much less.

And I'd be willing to bet that there's language buried in all this... or will after the House/Senate "compromise".... that will create another branch of government that will control every aspect of health related "issues", including firearms.

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It is true that a simple majority is enough to pass a bill from the floor; but, in order to get to that vote requires another 60 super majority to close debate. So, essentially, it takes 60 votes to pass almost anything in the Senate.
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ChuckW wrote:
mr surveyor wrote:if they get the 60 votes on Saturday night.... they HAVE passed the bill. Reid has managed a complete end around with this sorry piece of 2000+ page pile of trash. All it will take is 50 votes from the floor of the Senate for final passage when it comes up. No doubt that mr. "don't mess with joe" will be presiding over the senate like a vulture to cast the tie breaker...just in case.

It's a shame that Landreau appears to have sold the country out for 100 million... she probably could have been had for much less.

And I'd be willing to bet that there's language buried in all this... or will after the House/Senate "compromise".... that will create another branch of government that will control every aspect of health related "issues", including firearms.

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It is true that a simple majority is enough to pass a bill from the floor; but, in order to get to that vote requires another 60 super majority to close debate. So, essentially, it takes 60 votes to pass almost anything in the Senate.

yep, that is true. But, you can bet there's going to be a lot more Mary Landreau bribe money (Senate "walk around money") being offered in terms of amendments, and double speak language offered to the "bill" to appease Dem detractors. The vote to close debate is our last best hope to save the future economy of the country. I can imagine this program having more teeth than the massively overused "Interstate Commerce Clause" as I believe that there will be absolutely no aspect of our lives that some "health care panel" won't be able to justify controlling as a presumed healthrelated issue.

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Zee wrote:

What madness. Anyone voting for something without even reading it is not doing their job.
Every last one of them was elected by somebody. I still say fire all 545 of 'em and keep firin' 'em until they get the message that they were elected to serve all of the people - not themselves. Furthermore, I'm for term limits for all 545 of the shnorrers.
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Oldgringo wrote:
Zee wrote:

What madness. Anyone voting for something without even reading it is not doing their job.
Every last one of them was elected by somebody. I still say fire all 545 of 'em and keep firin' 'em until they get the message that they were elected to serve all of the people - not themselves. Furthermore, I'm for term limits for all 545 of the shnorrers.
I agree, but we have a better system of term limits...Every two years we get the opportunity to term limit them...Eventually the toilet will completely flush...
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the toilet only gets flushed by those that practice good hygiene ;-)
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The problem is that everybody thinks it is the other guys rep that is the problem and they just keep right on pulling the lever for the same ignorant sack of tators they always have.
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