Collectors of Curio and Relic (C&R) Firearms

[old farmer]

I have recieved the forms for a C&R license which took 8 weeks. Does anyone on the forum have first hand information about C&R? Do I give up any rights to the Feds? Does this affect my other weopons that I own? Where can I store the weopons? Is the license a benefit? Thank you for any help.

[BobCat]

See http://www.cruffler.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; for all your C&R answers.

I have no direct experience and so cannot comment, but many people have said that the only drawback to having a Type 03 FFL (C&R FFL) is that you run out of space for more guns, and run out of money for more guns. Ok, that's two drawbacks.

Regards,
Andrew

[CWOOD]

See http://www.cruffler.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; for all your C&R answers.

I have no direct experience and so cannot comment, but many people have said that the only drawback to having a Type 03 FFL (C&R FFL) is that you run out of space for more guns, and run out of money for more guns. Ok, that's two drawbacks.

Regards,
Andrew

That about covers the down sides.

The fee is minimal, the paperwork is minimal, the interface with the Feds is minimal. In fact the one time that I really had to deal with an agent was when he called me to clarify a minor mistake I made on my app and wanted to try to expedite the license. I told him I didn't want to give personal info on the phone which he understood and sent me a letter in the mail with his direct line. Very gracious.

My first transaction more than paid for the license. I bought a East German Makarov and had it shipped to my front door. The FFL savings on one transaction paid for the first two years of the license. Plus I got a good deal on the pistol.

It is good and cheap to have. The feds provide you with all the laws and a list of qualified firearms. Some of them are not that old. My Makarov was 1963 vintage. SKS's are fairly recent, too.

Go for it. Cruffler.com is the place for info as was mentioned. If you qualify for CHL you will qualify for 03FFL.

Regards.

[Weg]

I had one and ultimately let it expire.The only thing I thought was odd about it was that you had to list all C/R guns in your boundbook regardless of whether you used your c/r to obtain them. A example would be, your next door neighbor sells you a Singer .45 ( in my dreams ) you would have to list it in your boundbook. However, once I let it expire and found out I was under no obligation to return my boundbook to the ATF it really waas no big issue.

[SC1903A3]

+1 on getting your C&R. I'm on my third renewal.

[shooter4]

you do give up certain rights to the Feds. But they also dont look upon C&R holders like FFL dealers. They do consider us as collectors. Just keep your information up to date and make sure you have your paperwork in order. They can show up at your house without notice. And they can look at your book, they make want to see your collection, but like i said they are less severe, BUT.............. there are always a few...........
O yea, you get a discount from Brownells, AIM (i think), Midway, Century Arms and more......some of the discounts are significant too......worth the cost....

[Bonc_CHL]

Glad to see all the good responses on this subject, I have my C&R paperwork sitting on my desk and was not sure if I was going to do it or not. But it looks like I will be sending it of asap.

[Mike1951]

However, once I let it expire and found out I was under no obligation to return my boundbook to the ATF it really waas no big issue.

I just renewed, but the application stated that if I weren't renewing I had 30 days to mail them my records.

No problem, though.

[Weg]

huh, must have changed since the late 90's when mine expired. I've still got my boundbook in my safe, never sent it in, and could have sworn that was the way it was.

[Mike1951]

Nope, it was my mistake and I figured I better correct it before someone else is misinformed.

Apparently, the renewal form I got is also used for class 01 (FFL) licenses.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/collect ... ca-records" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Q: Are licensed collectors required to turn in their acquisition/disposition records to ATF if their collector’s license is not renewed or they discontinue their collecting activity?
No. The GCA requires the delivery of required records to the Government within 30 days after a firearms “business” is discontinued. A license as a collector of curios or relics does not authorize any business with respect to firearms. Therefore, the records required to be kept by licensed collectors under the law and regulations are not business records and are not required to be turned in to ATF when collectors’ licenses are not renewed or collecting activity under such licenses is discontinued.

[18 U.S.C. 923(g)(4), 27 CFR 478.127]

[Dragonfighter]

Can someone clarify something for me? I have had and still own weapons defined as "curio" under ATF rules. Also, the last time I checked they were not technically "firearms" (muzzle loaders, percussion revolvers and the like) for purposes of sales. What is the license for, am I supposed to have one for antiques?

[Mike1951]

There is no license needed to own antiques or any firearm, in Texas anyway.

What a C&R license does is allow you to purchase firearms over 50 years old and others specified by the BATFE directly from the seller without the need for a 4473 form, NICS check, or CHL and they can be shipped directly to your home. You do have to maintain purchase and disposition records. You are not to engage in a business, but you can sell firearms with the intent to better your collection. It's probably a good idea not to sell too many. However, some will buy lots, keep the best, and sell the rest.

It also qualifies you for decent discounts with some suppliers.

You're also correct that muzzleloaders and cap & ball pistols are not generally firearms. However, BATFE has classified muzzleloaders with some ignition systems to be firearms, such as those using shotgun primers.

[Dragonfighter]

Thank you, that is exactly what I needed.

[chabouk]

The only thing I thought was odd about it was that you had to list all C/R guns in your boundbook regardless of whether you used your c/r to obtain them.

You have to log everything acquired or disposed of while licensed, so whether or not you "used" your license doesn't matter.

[pbwalker]

The only thing I thought was odd about it was that you had to list all C/R guns in your boundbook regardless of whether you used your c/r to obtain them.

You have to log everything acquired or disposed of while licensed, so whether or not you "used" your license doesn't matter.

If I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying that I would need to log everything? If I buy a Glock while licensed, I'd have to log it?

I'm waiting on my paperwork and was wondering about the logging requirement. I'll have to look over the cruffler.com site.