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How STUPID is STUPID?
WOW!Oldgringo wrote:All,
We got a letter yesterday from the UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT of COMMERCE telling us that we're fixin' to get a letter from the UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT of COMMERCE concerning the 2010 census.
How much do these letters cost? No wonder the U.S. is teeterin' on bankruptcy! I say fire all 545 of 'em, abolish Civil Service and let's start over. Good grief!
Best,
Greg
Which part? The part where they send two letters or the part where they should fire all of Congress...?shortysboy09 wrote:WOW!Oldgringo wrote:All,
We got a letter yesterday from the UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT of COMMERCE telling us that we're fixin' to get a letter from the UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT of COMMERCE concerning the 2010 census.
How much do these letters cost? No wonder the U.S. is teeterin' on bankruptcy! I say fire all 545 of 'em, abolish Civil Service and let's start over. Good grief!
Best,
Greg
I don't see that as really being necessary...
Once you get the letter that the letter told you about, watch for the letter asking if you got the letter that the original letter told you you would get.Oldgringo wrote:All,
We got a letter yesterday from the UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT of COMMERCE telling us that we're fixin' to get a letter from the UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT of COMMERCE concerning the 2010 census.
How much do these letters cost? No wonder the U.S. is teeterin' on bankruptcy! I say fire all 545 of 'em, abolish Civil Service and let's start over. Good grief!
Best,
Greg
What questions would that be?pbwalker wrote:I'm looking forward to receiving our census form, only answering the questions legally required of me, and watching the census bureau try to intimidate me to answer the rest...
sjfcontrol wrote:What questions would that be?pbwalker wrote:I'm looking forward to receiving our census form, only answering the questions legally required of me, and watching the census bureau try to intimidate me to answer the rest...
Seems to me that they are constitutionally mandated to "enumerate" the population. That means "count". So the entire census consists of the answer: "Two people live in this house"? Sounds good to me!
13 USC Sec. 221
TITLE 13 - CENSUS
CHAPTER 7 - OFFENSES AND PENALTIES
SUBCHAPTER II - OTHER PERSONS
Sec. 221. Refusal or neglect to answer questions; false answers
(a) Whoever, being over eighteen years of age, refuses or willfully neglects, when requested by the Secretary, or by any other authorized officer or employee of the Department of Commerce or bureau or agency thereof acting under the instructions of the Secretary or authorized officer, to answer, to the best of his knowledge, any of the questions on any schedule submitted to him in connection with any census or survey provided for by subchapters I, II, IV, and V of chapter 5 of this title, applying to himself or to the family to which he belongs or is related, or to the farm or farms of which he or his family is the occupant, shall be fined not more than $100.
(b) Whoever, when answering questions described in subsection (a) of this section, and under the conditions or circumstances described in such subsection, willfully gives any answer that is false, shall be fined not more than $500.
Kythas wrote:You are required by law to answer all questions asked on the census forms. Failure to answer all questions has a penalty of a $100 fine. Failure to answer all questions truthfully carries a $500 fine penalty.
13 USC Sec. 221
TITLE 13 - CENSUS
CHAPTER 7 - OFFENSES AND PENALTIES
SUBCHAPTER II - OTHER PERSONS
Sec. 221. Refusal or neglect to answer questions; false answers
(a) Whoever, being over eighteen years of age, refuses or willfully neglects, when requested by the Secretary, or by any other authorized officer or employee of the Department of Commerce or bureau or agency thereof acting under the instructions of the Secretary or authorized officer, to answer, to the best of his knowledge, any of the questions on any schedule submitted to him in connection with any census or survey provided for by subchapters I, II, IV, and V of chapter 5 of this title, applying to himself or to the family to which he belongs or is related, or to the farm or farms of which he or his family is the occupant, shall be fined not more than $100.
(b) Whoever, when answering questions described in subsection (a) of this section, and under the conditions or circumstances described in such subsection, willfully gives any answer that is false, shall be fined not more than $500.
The letter... Congress needs to be booted.O6nop wrote:Which part? The part where they send two letters or the part where they should fire all of Congress...?shortysboy09 wrote:WOW!Oldgringo wrote:All,
We got a letter yesterday from the UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT of COMMERCE telling us that we're fixin' to get a letter from the UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT of COMMERCE concerning the 2010 census.
How much do these letters cost? No wonder the U.S. is teeterin' on bankruptcy! I say fire all 545 of 'em, abolish Civil Service and let's start over. Good grief!
Best,
Greg
I don't see that as really being necessary...
Take a look at the 2000 Census Long Form: http://www.grpundit.com/wp-content/uplo ... s-long.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (I haven't seen the 2010 Long Form yet). You want to answer all of that?Kythas wrote:You are required by law to answer all questions asked on the census forms. Failure to answer all questions has a penalty of a $100 fine. Failure to answer all questions truthfully carries a $500 fine penalty.
13 USC Sec. 221
TITLE 13 - CENSUS
CHAPTER 7 - OFFENSES AND PENALTIES
SUBCHAPTER II - OTHER PERSONS
Sec. 221. Refusal or neglect to answer questions; false answers
(a) Whoever, being over eighteen years of age, refuses or willfully neglects, when requested by the Secretary, or by any other authorized officer or employee of the Department of Commerce or bureau or agency thereof acting under the instructions of the Secretary or authorized officer, to answer, to the best of his knowledge, any of the questions on any schedule submitted to him in connection with any census or survey provided for by subchapters I, II, IV, and V of chapter 5 of this title, applying to himself or to the family to which he belongs or is related, or to the farm or farms of which he or his family is the occupant, shall be fined not more than $100.
(b) Whoever, when answering questions described in subsection (a) of this section, and under the conditions or circumstances described in such subsection, willfully gives any answer that is false, shall be fined not more than $500.
I thought the question was regarding "answering the questions only legally required of me to answer". According to 13 USC Sec 221, we are legally required to answer all questions on the form. That's all I was answering.pbwalker wrote:Take a look at the 2000 Census Long Form: http://www.grpundit.com/wp-content/uplo ... s-long.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (I haven't seen the 2010 Long Form yet). You want to answer all of that?Kythas wrote:You are required by law to answer all questions asked on the census forms. Failure to answer all questions has a penalty of a $100 fine. Failure to answer all questions truthfully carries a $500 fine penalty.
13 USC Sec. 221
TITLE 13 - CENSUS
CHAPTER 7 - OFFENSES AND PENALTIES
SUBCHAPTER II - OTHER PERSONS
Sec. 221. Refusal or neglect to answer questions; false answers
(a) Whoever, being over eighteen years of age, refuses or willfully neglects, when requested by the Secretary, or by any other authorized officer or employee of the Department of Commerce or bureau or agency thereof acting under the instructions of the Secretary or authorized officer, to answer, to the best of his knowledge, any of the questions on any schedule submitted to him in connection with any census or survey provided for by subchapters I, II, IV, and V of chapter 5 of this title, applying to himself or to the family to which he belongs or is related, or to the farm or farms of which he or his family is the occupant, shall be fined not more than $100.
(b) Whoever, when answering questions described in subsection (a) of this section, and under the conditions or circumstances described in such subsection, willfully gives any answer that is false, shall be fined not more than $500.
Do you think this is what the founding fathers had in mind when they wrote Article 1 Section 2? The point of the census is to count, use the information to determine representation, and that's primarily it (as far as I understand the original reasoning for the census).
As far as I am concerned, this is no different than the slow erosion of gun rights. Take a little at a time and no one will notice until it is too late. Same applies here. It started as a count and now they want to delve in to personal information? No thanks.
And from what I have read, the last person to get pinged for the $100 fine was 1973. $100 is worth it to me. If the Census Bureau wants to send their goons to intimidate me, they can.
Other than the constitutionally mandated first question (How many people live here?) the rest is an illegal data mining operation.
My $0.02
You're right, and I apologize if I seem argumentative about this topic...it's just something that's got me a little hot under the collar right now.Kythas wrote: I thought the question was regarding "answering the questions only legally required of me to answer". According to 13 USC Sec 221, we are legally required to answer all questions on the form. That's all I was answering.
Whether this law is unconstitutional is another question, and unless a case comes before SCOTUS whereby they declare all questions other than the number of people living in your household unconstitutional and void, the law stands as is, and we are legally required to answer all questions asked.
