Why we carry and why we live in Texas.

[drjoker]

Akron Ohio man beaten in a crowded pizzeria and nobody wants to help! All that the victim did was tell his wife on the cell phone that some woman cut ahead of him in the pizza line. The woman and her boyfriend then give him a savage beating. You can see in the video people looking away and purposely pretending that they don't see what's going on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu0O1VNZWeE
(warning, some cursing on this video)

The beating couple go to jail. 2 weeks after the man gets out of jail, he breaks into his girlfriend's home and beat her. So, he ends up in jail again.

The gun related point here is this. The reason why we're losing in the election booths is that we, the moral majority, lack solidarity. We do not help each other while a minority of thugs do have solidarity. Despite the beating couple's differences, they joined forces to beat the guy at the pizzeria. However, the other guys do not help the victim. This video is a microcosm of America. This is the reason why we have big O for pres and not Ron Paul or Colin Powell.

Texas is NOT a microcosm of America. I have been saved by kind strangers many times in the past in this great state, but nobody offered to help me in similar circumstance in New York city or Los Angeles. We must spread the word. In order for us to get our country back from Obamacare supporting, gun confiscating liberals is for us to show solidarity. Otherwise, all will be lost!

The truth shall set you free,

[Teamless]

that's absolutely horrible.
All those people around, not one says or does anything!

[driver8]

I agree with everything you said except maybe the part about Colin Powell. Not exactly the poster child for conservatism.

[nitrogen]

Would you really help somebody in a situation like this? So many "what if" threads I see the consensus is "call the cops and be a good witness" which is what the "liberals in New York and Los Angeles" also do in situations like this...

EDIT: Ok, rereading this seems a bit inflamatory. I meant it to be as such. In many cases i'd probabl be a good witness unless I saw the whole incident. Something like the above if I saw the whole thing, I'd get involved.

You ever watch "Glengarry, Glenross"? There's a great bit toward the end about "not opening your mouth unless you know the score." Great scene, great movie, too. Laden with profanity, so skip it if it bothers you.

google for "Glengarry Glen Ross - Al Pacino Rant" if you want to see it, but it's profanity laden.

[seniorshooteress]

Feel sorry for the guy that got beat up. So many crazies out there today. No one wants to get involved. I wouldn't have interfered either what with the element inside that place. I would have stepped outside and called 911. Bet the next time this guy wants a pizza he either orders 'online' or by phone. Better yet. DiGiorno's. If someone cuts in line on me, I don't say anything. I just figure they are in a bigger hurry than I am and let it be. Seems to me that if anyone were going to get involved should have been the workers at the pizza place not the other customers. At least the pizza workers have some legallity on their side.

[The Annoyed Man]

This is the reason why we have big O for pres and not Ron Paul or Colin Powell.

Without endorsing one over the other, these two are hardly the same politically.

[WildBill]

Would you really help somebody in a situation like this? So many "what if" threads I see the consensus is "call the cops and be a good witness" which is what the "liberals in New York and Los Angeles" also do in situations like this...

EDIT: Ok, rereading this seems a bit inflamatory. I meant it to be as such. In many cases i'd probabl be a good witness unless I saw the whole incident. Something like the above if I saw the whole thing, I'd get involved.

You ever watch "Glengarry, Glenross"? There's a great bit toward the end about "not opening your mouth unless you know the score." Great scene, great movie, too. Laden with profanity, so skip it if it bothers you.

google for "Glengarry Glen Ross - Al Pacino Rant" if you want to see it, but it's profanity laden.

Glengarry Glen Ross is a great film. Al Pacino has a lot of "great rants" in his films.

[gemini]

At least 5 able bodied men stood and watched the whole incident as "trash" was allowed to
beat a person senseless? Were they afraid to interfere because the BG was black? I don't think
being a good witness trumps helping the helpless in a situation like this. If it were your wife or
son taking a beat down, I guarantee you would be hoping someone would try to come to their
rescue or aid. I think maybe, if just one of the by standers had grown some kahuna's and tried
to help, the others might have pitched in...... if this had happened in Texas, and no one had
helped, I would be embarassed.
Try something similar in a Texas pizza parlour? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjIIlWePLWk&NR=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[seniorshooteress]

At least 5 able bodied men stood and watched the whole incident as "trash" was allowed to
beat a person senseless? Were they afraid to interfere because the BG was black? I don't think
being a good witness trumps helping the helpless in a situation like this. If it were your wife or
son taking a beat down, I guarantee you would be hoping someone would try to come to their
rescue or aid. I think maybe, if just one of the by standers had grown some kahuna's and tried
to help, the others might have pitched in...... if this had happened in Texas, and no one had
helped, I would be embarassed.
Try something similar in a Texas pizza parlour? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjIIlWePLWk&NR=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Or because he was 3 times bigger than anyone else in there? Or no one else wanted to get the same beat down? If the guy had pulled a weapon maybe someone would have at least yelled stop! But yet another reason to not get involved in an altercation such as this. As crazed as this guy was could have been a whole lot more people going to the hospital, especially if he had a weapon and decided to use it instead of his fists. Self peservation is a very strong motive for not getting involved.

[Teamless]

if this were in Texas, what would the law say if a CHL pulled his weapon and ordered the man to stop and the man stopped? Is the CHL in any legal issues? (I think not from what I believe I was trained), but your (the masses) thoughts on this?

then

What if the man did not stop, and you shot. What would the law say about that? I again think the CHL would be justified, but your thoughts on this as well?

[Keith B]

if this were in Texas, what would the law say if a CHL pulled his weapon and ordered the man to stop and the man stopped? Is the CHL in any legal issues? (I think not from what I believe I was trained), but your (the masses) thoughts on this?

then

What if the man did not stop, and you shot. What would the law say about that? I again think the CHL would be justified, but your thoughts on this as well?

Use of force in defense of others is legal in Texas. Pulling your gun is a use of force. Use of deadly force is justified in defense of another to prevent them from being seriously injured or killed. This should have been taught in your CHL class.

I have seen this video before, and IMO this would justify at least the first one, and probably the second. IANAL, but would more than likely be obtaining one after I did what I could to protect the individual and try to get the altercation stopped.

[gemini]

At least 5 able bodied men stood and watched the whole incident as "trash" was allowed to
beat a person senseless? Were they afraid to interfere because the BG was black? I don't think
being a good witness trumps helping the helpless in a situation like this. If it were your wife or
son taking a beat down, I guarantee you would be hoping someone would try to come to their
rescue or aid. I think maybe, if just one of the by standers had grown some kahuna's and tried
to help, the others might have pitched in...... if this had happened in Texas, and no one had
helped, I would be embarassed.
Try something similar in a Texas pizza parlour? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjIIlWePLWk&NR=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Or because he was 3 times bigger than anyone else in there? Or no one else wanted to get the same beat down? If the guy had pulled a weapon maybe someone would have at least yelled stop! But yet another reason to not get involved in an altercation such as this. As crazed as this guy was could have been a whole lot more people going to the hospital, especially if he had a weapon and decided to use it instead of his fists. Self peservation is a very strong motive for not getting involved.

I think 2 or 3 of the men standing around with their thumb in their ears could have taken that BG down or
at least made him retreat. If you have a physical disability that puts you in a severe disadvantage in a confrontation,
then I certainly understand standing there and watching. Not. You can still whip out your cell and call 911. Which none
of the 5 or 6 men standing in the store did. Maybe it's just the way I was brought up, but I was taught not to hit women, don't pick a fight but don't fail to defend yourself, AND to help those in distress. I also need to mention that from what I viewed I would not have pulled a gun. Maybe jump on the BG's back and apply a choke hold, stomp to side of knee etc.
If he had presented a weapon..... that's another ballgame.
I need to ask: if the person getting beaten in this video was a 75yo granny, would you stand and be a good witness or would you have tried to stop the BG? Or, would it have made any difference at all regarding non-involvement? Remember fists can kill just like a screwdriver, 2x4, rolled up magazine etc. If the BG had beaten the victim to death and you just watched....
I think there's a distinct difference between self preservation and chicken poop.

[Teamless]

This should have been taught in your CHL class

- it was taught in our class, ElGato does a great class!
My questions were to see what others thought, and I do appreciate your backing up my beliefs.

[drjoker]

At least 5 able bodied men stood and watched the whole incident as "trash" was allowed to
beat a person senseless? Were they afraid to interfere because the BG was black? I don't think
being a good witness trumps helping the helpless in a situation like this. If it were your wife or
son taking a beat down, I guarantee you would be hoping someone would try to come to their
rescue or aid. Try something similar in a Texas pizza parlour? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjIIlWePLWk&NR=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

.

gemini, Keith B, thanks for the support.

seniorshooteress, it doesn't have to be defense with a gun, you know. A simple verbal command like, "Stop!" would suffice. BGs are cowards and lazy. That's why they don't have jobs and rob people instead. If even half the men in the pizza place would've just said, "Stop," the odds would tip in favor of the victim, and, realizing the threat, the BG would've ran off. It's hard work to wait in line, that's why she cut to the front of the line. It's hard work to get a job, that's why these two love birds have a long criminal history. It's easy to beat up a man half your size, but it is hard work to beat up three guys if you're just one man. My point is, if we show solidarity, evil will not triumph. Even if I was unarmed and the only other guy there, I would've applied first aid to the guy afterwards, which none of the other guys at the pizza place did. (Yes, I carry a small trauma kit with quickclot, bandages, gloves, and cpr mask everywhere I go.) If I were armed, I would've taken up a position behind the pizza counter and shined a flashlight in the BG's eye, and told him that the cops have been called and are on the way (I would NOT have drawn the gun, though. Shooting unarmed men is bad form).

Having worked in the E.R., I've seen all kinds of damage wreaked by savages on good folks. I'd like to see people re-adopt the way of life from the 1800's. Texas pioneers had real solidarity. If you needed a house, the whole town had a "house bee" where everyone got together and helped you build a small wooden house. If a major crime was perpetrated on someone in the small town, everyone would get together and look for this person and bring him to justice. In modern times, if someone were homeless, people would look the other way. If someone gets beaten, people would look the other way. In my travels, I've seen more people with this help each other mentality in Texas. That's why I live in this great state. If we helped each other, then the government wouldn't need to step in and "help" us with Obamacare, high taxes, etc. A neighbor of mine is unemployed and has trouble paying her bills, so I am paying her to cook and clean for me. Another neighbor of mine had someone "garage shop" her accidentally left open garage door. No, I didn't pull a Joe Horn ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLtKCC7z0yc ), but I did shine a light into the neighbor's garage from inside my house and announced that I had called the cops. The BG took off. Many times, I've had car trouble and kind strangers have helped me get my car started, tire changed, pushed, etc. Rather than make excuses why you shouldn't help your fellow man, I invite you to ask yourself, "What would Jesus do?"



P.S. If you're not Christian, then ask yourself, "What would X do?" Insert the holy man from your faith in the "X".

[Kythas]

IANAL, but would more than likely be obtaining one after I did what I could to protect the individual and try to get the altercation stopped.

I'm right there with you. I'd have done everything in my power to stop this had I been witness to it.