Chet Edwards(My USACE pet peeve)

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Chet Edwards(My USACE pet peeve)

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copy of my E-mail to the guy who has been in office a while, Chet Edwards:
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campaign@chetedwards.com
What have you done to correct this?

Anyone can be arrested under Federal Law who enters US Army Corps of Engineers Parking Lot, at a Park/recreational area/Lake with a gun in their car even though it is perfectly legal under Texas law.

This affects persons possessing a concealed handgun license, as well as unlicensed citizens with a legal gun in their car, under the Motorist Protection Act.

Why not have it go by State Law as the National Parks, US Forestry Service, US Fish and game/wildlife areas do?

This affects Interstate Commerce in limiting/not attracting visitors to the recreation areas who desire to be able to protect their children/family from rabid skunks/coyotes/venomous snakes/feral hogs/bobcats etc.. (Not even mentioning the murders that occur on those remote recreational properties)

http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2001/ ... 327.13.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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[Title 36, Volume 3]
[Revised as of July 1, 2001]
From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
[CITE: 36CFR327.13]

[Page 11]
 
              TITLE 36--PARKS, FORESTS, AND PUBLIC PROPERTY
 
                    CHAPTER III--CORPS OF ENGINEERS,
                         DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY
 
PART 327--RULES AND REGULATIONS GOVERNING PUBLIC USE OF WATER RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS ADMINISTERED BY THE CHIEF OF ENGINEERS--Table of Contents
 
Sec. 327.13  Explosives, firearms, other weapons and fireworks.

    (a) The possession of loaded firearms, ammunition, loaded projectile 
firing devices, bows and arrows, crossbows, or other weapons is 
prohibited unless:
    (1) In the possession of a Federal, state or local law enforcement 
officer;
    (2) Being used for hunting or fishing as permitted under Sec. 327.8, 
with devices being unloaded when transported to, from or between hunting 
and fishing sites;
    (3) Being used at authorized shooting ranges; or
    (4) Written permission has been received from the District 
Commander.
    (b) Possession of explosives or explosive devices of any kind, 
including fireworks or other pyrotechnics, is prohibited unless written 
permission has been received from the District Commander.

[65 FR 6901, Feb. 11, 2000]
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Congress and/or the POTUS has to be the stimulus to change the USACE's posture on CC. Individuals, no matter their rank, are not gonna' jeapordize their pensions for you, me or nobody.

Keep after 'em! (...did I say stimulus...?)
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Ya, know I have to scratch my head sometimes and wonder, “what were they thinking?” The NRA recently endorsed Edwards over a fellow NRA and TSRA member. I’d like some details on just how they decided this one. How do you go from an ‘F” rating to “A?” It just makes me want to write a big ole fat check to the NRA Victory Fund. Do we have a rhino problem within the NRA? Think I’ll visit the Gun Owners of America website and learn more about them.

Fat chance Edwards will ever answer your question on about guns on US Army Corp propriety. Btw, I have hunted countless days on US Army Corp propriety with a permit to do so from them. (you may already know that, but others might not)

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Edwards would never get my vote, although I look at what the NRA and TSRA has to say about candidates I make up my own opinions. Look at his voting record and determine if he is voting that way you want him to or along liberal party lines..

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Since Bill Flores might win, and since he is a fellow CHL, and endorsed by Gun Owners of America,

http://www.goapvf.org/index.php/bill-fl ... ngress.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I also just now E-mailed Bill Flores a similar E-mail. Also outlining the Texas State Park, but on USACOE property conflict of laws/regulations affecting the CHLs as well as unlicensed MPA carriers.

Can't have too many irons in the fire, squeeky wheels get greased ,,,, etc etc etc

No reply from Chet yet ... probably won't expect one ... :totap: :grumble :waiting:
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txrr wrote:Ya, know I have to scratch my head sometimes and wonder, “what were they thinking?” The NRA recently endorsed Edwards over a fellow NRA and TSRA member. I’d like some details on just how they decided this one. How do you go from an ‘F” rating to “A?”
You start voting with the NRA and do so for many years. Have you looked at Edwards voting record?
txrr wrote: Think I’ll visit the Gun Owners of America website and learn more about them.
If you really want to learn about GOA, don't go to their website. Their entire business model consists of bashing the NRA and asking for money to do absolutely nothing. Check to see what legislation they have passed and what they have blocked. You'll find out the answers to both questions is "nothing."

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Charles L. Cotton wrote:If you really want to learn about GOA, don't go to their website. Their entire business model consists of bashing the NRA and asking for money to do absolutely nothing. Check to see what legislation they have passed and what they have blocked. You'll find out the answers to both questions is "nothing."

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Chas, I agree about the GOA, but I do see one useful function they serve; well two: 1) they serve as a gadfly, bringing up uncomfortable opinions which when channeled into constructive action by those with more power (NRA / TSRA), makes them useful. And 2) They're the crazy fringe that makes the NRA look like the sane one by comparison. :)
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I don't often post, just lurk and learn. Although this is not concerning Chet Edwards it does concern USACE and their policies. I wrote John Carter and this is his reply;
Thank you for taking the time to contact me with your concerns regarding the Army Corps of Engineers land firearm policy. Your input is important to me, and I appreciate the opportunity to respond;
I have read over your comments, and as a strong proponent of Second Amendment rights, I understand your concerns. In my view, protecting the rights of citizens and providing for their security against foreign enemies and domestic criminals is the most important duty of government. Law abiding citizens have a fundamental right to protect themselves and their families. However, the Army Corps of Engineers has been able to implement any regulation they deem necessary for the safety of their employees, service members, civilians, and anyone who may use the land.
Title 36 of the Code of Federal Regulations governs the rules and regulations of public use of Corps of Engineers property. These regulations prohibit the possession of loaded firearms or ammunition on lands and waters administered by the Corps unless one of the exceptions applies. These exceptions include 1) in the possession of a federal, state or local law enforcement officer; 2) being used for hunting or fishing as permitted under 327.8 with devices being unloaded when transported to, from or between hunting and fishing sites; 3) being used at authorized shooting ranges; or 4) written permission has been received from the District Commander. You may view the full text of 36 CFR at http://corpslakes.usace.army.mil/employ ... itle36.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; <http://corpslakes.usace.army.mil/employ ... itle36.pdf> .
These regulations will continue to prohibit loaded concealed weapons on Corps properties and it remains Corps policy to not honor State-issued concealed weapon permits on their facilities. If you have any questions concerning this policy, you should contact your local Corps project office. For the Corps site near you, please visit us at http://www.Corpslakes.us" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; <http://www.Corpslakes.us> .
In many of Texas' wildlife parks, people are allowed to carry concealed and non-concealed weapons in compliance with state law. I understand that some people believe the Corps of Engineers weapons policy is unfounded; however, they are certain that these regulations are necessary to ensure a safe place for them to fulfill their mission.
Once again, thank you for taking the time to contact me with your thoughts. Please do not hesitate to contact me in the future if I can be of any further assistance.
Sincerely,

John Carter
Member of Congress

This sounded like those Brady answers, i.e. common sense gun control or as above the USACE has the necessary regulations to protect...My question now is: Do we as citizens work for the USACE or do they work for us? Of course this was not the answer I was expecting. What Texas congress person has initiated anything concerning the 2nd Amendment? Most will vote for it and be co-signers, but I don't remember any initiating anything. I might be wrong. Kind of disappointed in our legislators especially seeing how other states' are furthering the rights enumerated within the 2nd amendment.
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In the wake of the Luby's shootings in Killeen, he voted for the assault weapons ban. At the time he said that the arguments against such laws "ring hollow".
He later voted to let the sunset provision kick in, based on a lack of effectiveness - not principle, rights, or freedom.
He may vote with us when it's convenient or politically savvy, but it's not based on principle.
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Deb, if I had a "good citizen medal" I'd send it to you.
Thank you.


I find it sooo strange that miles away from the nearest person, in areas inhabited by dangerous critters, that not only does the USACOE forbid me to protect myself, but also refuses to send an armed escort Park Ranger with me because "its for everyone's safety" ..... huh? :confused5

"However, the Army Corps of Engineers has been able to implement any regulation they deem necessary for the safety of their employees, service members, civilians, and anyone who may use the land.
these regulations are necessary to ensure a safe place for them to fulfill their mission." :banghead:

Yet they refuse to send armed escorts "to ensure my safety" from these dangerous critters ... :rules:

(Idiots)

I refuse, along with many others, to pay to use THIER (our) facilities. This affects Interstate Commerce and tourism, giving Congress authority to act on it.
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Can anyone explain why immediately after Roe v. Wade there was a uniform nationwide right to abortion but after McDonald and Heller we are still fighting for crumbs of what is left of our Constitutionally "protected" liberties?
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Texgun wrote:Can anyone explain why immediately after Roe v. Wade there was a uniform nationwide right to abortion but after McDonald and Heller we are still fighting for crumbs of what is left of our Constitutionally "protected" liberties?
I have to say. IMHO
This is one of the most thought provoking intelligent questions I've run across.
Wish there was a logical true valid answer that made sense.
Though I'm ashamed to admit I haven't thoroughly analyzed McDonald and Heller personally, I know of no such reason.
Good analogy.
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RPB wrote:...USACOE...refuses to send an armed escort Park Ranger with me because "its for everyone's safety"
USACE Rangers have regulations citation authority but do not carry weapons (other than peper spray). USACE recreation policy is not the same as Dept of Interior or Forest Service (they have law enforcement).
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couzin wrote:
RPB wrote:...USACOE...refuses to send an armed escort Park Ranger with me because "its for everyone's safety"
USACE Rangers have regulations citation authority but do not carry weapons (other than peper spray). USACE recreation policy is not the same as Dept of Interior or Forest Service (they have law enforcement).
Right
So essentially they offer no protection at all "for our safety"

Oh, a rabid bobcat is shredding my child, call a park ranger to pepper spray it. He should arrive in 20 to 30 minutes I guess.
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Finally someone has introduced a bill in congress that seeks to allow individuals to carry on USACE lands. Of course no Texan was a part of it. (I don't know how to do the smily thing). U.S. Rep. Bob Gibbs, R-Lakeville Ohio has introduced the Recreational Lands Self-Defense Act last Thursday. The Recreational Lands Self-Defense Act is a bipartisan effort that seeks to correct this oversight and restore Second Amendment rights to law-abiding citizens while they are legally camping, hunting, and fishing on the 11.7 million acres of Army Corps recreational property. Hopefully we can get this pushed through? John Carter probably won't be a part of it, as he believes it is perfectly permissable for the Corps of Engineers to restrict his subject's rights...
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