Just Got Off The Phone With Lost Maples State Natural Area

[dihappy]

Asked one question:

"Hello, can Texas CHL holders carry in Lost Maples Park?"

"Uh..you'll have to leave it in the vehicle."

"Thank you."

[lonewolf]

Is this Corps of Engineers property? Is it posted? Did the person who answered the phone even have a clue as to what the laws are? Further research may be in order.......

[RPB]

Still, not sure why you would call them and ask, other than you already know the answer and wanted a laugh.

(I can't help but wonder if the Penal Code bill goes through about watercraft, if she'll say "as long as it's in your boat/kayak,raft.car.canoe .......)

[Oldgringo]

Concealed is concealed, DADT, etc., etc.

[RPB]

Is this Corps of Engineers property? Is it posted? Did the person who answered the phone even have a clue as to what the laws are? Further research may be in order.......

Always a good question.

Because SOME STATE PARKS are also US ARMY CORPS properties.
Normally the TPWD site lists if it is.

I usually check both the park name and any water body in it at both the USACE and TPWD sites.

State Parks & Destinations Main Page
(Includes link to "Find A Park")
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/spdest/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here for Lost Maples:
Last modified: October 12, 2010, 2:38 pm
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/spdest/find ... st_maples/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
... Acquired by purchase from private owners in 1973 -1974, the site was opened to the public on September 1, 1979....


Contrast
"acquired from private owners" at Lost Maples
to Ray Roberts ... "Ray Roberts Lake State Park has a total of 5,848.8 acres. The lake is a 29.350-acre Corps of Engineers impoundment on the Elm Fork of the Trinity River. All properties were acquired in 1984 by a lease made between the Secretary of the Army and the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department."
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/spdest/find ... hist.phtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Also Lake Ray Roberts
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/fishboat/fi ... y_roberts/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Reservoir Controlling Authority
US Army Corps of Engineers
1801 N. Mill Street
Lewisville, Texas 75067
(972) 434-1666

Here is generic State Park Rules:
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/spdest/park ... ations/#5c" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Here's where you can look at USACE properties in Texas
http://corpslakes.usace.army.mil/visito ... m?state=TX" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
(Lost Maples State Natural Area isn't listed) Also (Results on "Sabinal" = none)

[dihappy]

COE? This is why i was calling, its unfortunate something like this isnt drilled into every employees brain.

[slowpoke]

I have carried there many times. the rules state , no discharge or display of a firearm.

[KC5AV]

Now you have to wonder if that call constitutes effective notice.

[RPB]

Now you have to wonder if that call constitutes effective notice.

Yes, it's effective notice of a State Employee not knowing the law.

Just keep it from being displayed or "going off" (discharging)

(I edited my posts above to include links for anyone wanting to look up TPWD and USACE properties, along with the generic State Park rules)

[dihappy]

Thanks RPB

[couzin]

COE? This is why i was calling, its unfortunate something like this isnt drilled into every employees brain.

Definately not US Army Corps of Engineers owned lands. And try not to be so hard on the person that gave you the answer - it was probably one of the volunteer park hosts that are used because the parks and rec areas (including Federally-owned ones) are so danged underfunded. The person/employee/volunteer just made a simple mistake and probably had never had anyone call and ask that kind of question before.

[SigM4]

I have carried there many times. the rules state , no discharge or display of a firearm.

As have I, no issues, just can't take it inside the entrance building.

[RPB]

I have carried there many times. the rules state , no discharge or display of a firearm.

As have I, no issues, just can't take it inside the entrance building.

Huh?

Maybe I didn't take my meds today, but I was under the impression that in Federal properties, (National Parks etc) you aren't allowed inside buildings where workers are working,

But, State Parks? (Any NOT controlled, owned nor obtained through the Feds)
I don't recall seeing any place ...

Please direct me to where, if I'm forgetting.
DPS implies I can. (State Parks entrance buildings and State Park Stores, I assume are government buildings)

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/director_s ... 81903a.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Aug 19, 2003 ... SB 501 allows the holder of a Texas concealed handgun license to carry a concealed handgun in a governmental building. This does not include courthouses, schools or polling places on election

and
http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/D ... /PW.62.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
PARKS AND WILDLIFE CODE
TITLE 5. WILDLIFE AND PLANT CONSERVATION
SUBTITLE B. HUNTING AND FISHING
CHAPTER 62. PROVISIONS GENERALLY APPLICABLE TO HUNTING
SUBCHAPTER E. WEAPONS ON LOWER COLORADO RIVER AUTHORITY LAND

Sec. 62.081. WEAPONS PROHIBITED. Except as provided in Section 62.082 of this code, no person may hunt with, possess, or shoot a firearm, bow, crossbow, slingshot, or any other weapon on or across the land of the Lower Colorado River Authority.

Sec. 62.082. TARGET RANGES, MANAGED HUNTS, AND OTHER EXCEPTIONS; RULES.
(d) Section 62.081 does not apply to:
(4) a person who:

(A) possesses a concealed handgun and a license issued under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, to carry a concealed handgun of the same category as a handgun the person is carrying; or


So, if I'm wrong, let me know, so I can leave it in the kayak/car before going into the store or entrance building from now on. But, I believe it's ok in State Parks which are not any Federal/National wildlife area etc. to carry in the buildings too.

See: Carry at state parks (2007 thread) viewtopic.php?f=7&t=9392&p=107875&" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
(Thread includes "Executive Director Order No: 98-001 dated 1998.)
and
http://www.texaschl.us/faq.htm#stateparks" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[SigM4]

You're correct, my apologies. Last time I was at Lost Maples, or any other state park, was 2005. As of recent we've been hitting National Parks so I've been in that routine, carry away.

I have carried there many times. the rules state , no discharge or display of a firearm.

As have I, no issues, just can't take it inside the entrance building.

Huh?

Maybe I didn't take my meds today, but I was under the impression that in Federal properties, (National Parks etc) you aren't allowed inside buildings where workers are working,

But, State Parks? (Any NOT controlled, owned nor obtained through the Feds)
I don't recall seeing any place ...

Please direct me to where, if I'm forgetting.
DPS implies I can. (State Parks entrance buildings and State Park Stores, I assume are government buildings)

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/director_s ... 81903a.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Aug 19, 2003 ... SB 501 allows the holder of a Texas concealed handgun license to carry a concealed handgun in a governmental building. This does not include courthouses, schools or polling places on election

and
http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/D ... /PW.62.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
PARKS AND WILDLIFE CODE
TITLE 5. WILDLIFE AND PLANT CONSERVATION
SUBTITLE B. HUNTING AND FISHING
CHAPTER 62. PROVISIONS GENERALLY APPLICABLE TO HUNTING
SUBCHAPTER E. WEAPONS ON LOWER COLORADO RIVER AUTHORITY LAND

Sec. 62.081. WEAPONS PROHIBITED. Except as provided in Section 62.082 of this code, no person may hunt with, possess, or shoot a firearm, bow, crossbow, slingshot, or any other weapon on or across the land of the Lower Colorado River Authority.

Sec. 62.082. TARGET RANGES, MANAGED HUNTS, AND OTHER EXCEPTIONS; RULES.
(d) Section 62.081 does not apply to:
(4) a person who:

(A) possesses a concealed handgun and a license issued under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, to carry a concealed handgun of the same category as a handgun the person is carrying; or


So, if I'm wrong, let me know, so I can leave it in the kayak/car before going into the store or entrance building from now on. But, I believe it's ok in State Parks which are not any Federal/National wildlife area etc. to carry in the buildings too.

See: Carry at state parks (2007 thread) viewtopic.php?f=7&t=9392&p=107875&" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
(Thread includes "Executive Director Order No: 98-001 dated 1998.)
and
http://www.texaschl.us/faq.htm#stateparks" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[hirundo82]

Now you have to wonder if that call constitutes effective notice.

You can't be given effective 30.06 notice for state property if it is non-prohibited government property.