Las Vegas: 13YO girl cited for jaywalking - in a coma

[chasfm11]

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Two observations:
1. Searches did not find Las Vegas newspapers reporting this story
2. The mother said on a TV interview this morning that her daughter may not have not have been guilty of the infraction in the the first place.

[Oldgringo]

Apparently, it was easier and less risky to apprehend this jaywalker than it was the scores of other jaywalkers who were waddling around in their own particular comas?

I'd have to think long and hard about going back to Vegas even if someone else was picking up the tab. Not so much if we were paying our own way.

[Purplehood]

Thank God that the LVPD are still on the job. I hope the girl survives to pay her fine. Too bad it would be some clerk taking the payment and not one of the Officers.

[seamusTX]

Who was driving or owned the vehicle that struck the girl?

- Jim

[chasfm11]

Who was driving or owned the vehicle that struck the girl?

- Jim

I was looking for that information when I searched but couldn't find it. I also looked for an article that provided more details about the circumstances where the girl was struck. Perhaps those will be provided later.

[jimlongley]

A bunch of years ago, 1987 to be exact, I was driving east on State St. in Albany, NY and obeying all of the traffic laws, when a person stepped out into the street, from between parked vehicles which blocked my view of him, directly in front of my one ton telephone van. I narrowly missed him, but often have wondered how different the world would be if my driving skills were not better or my brakes not as good, and why the cops didn't give him a ticket, as they were witnesses to the whole thing. Maybe LVPD would have.

I missed nailing Al Sharpton by fractions of an inch.

Why is this Las Vegas event reported in Fox news Boston?

[Teamless]

I missed nailing Al Sharpton by fractions of an inch.

go back and try again!

[RoyGBiv]

If the cops believe the girl was crossing illegally, they are correct in issuing a citation.

Assuming the driver was unable to see the girl crossing where she wasn't supposed to be crossing, the ticket backs up the drivers claim of innocence. Just like at a traffic accident, if the LEO can make a solid judgment about who was at fault, they should write an appropriate ticket.

I saw the mom interviewed on Fox... If her side of the story is accurate, the LEO was pretty insensitive when he gave her the citation. But if the girl was jaywalking, the citation was righteous and necessary to protect the (apparently) innocent driver.

Of course, not all the facts are known...

[RoyGBiv]

I missed nailing Al Sharpton by fractions of an inch.

Bunch of years ago (late 80's, before everyone had cell phones) a friend calls me from a pay phone in Manhattan. We're talking for a few minutes and she says "hey, here's the number for this pay phone, please call me back if we get disconnected, I'm almost out of change and one of Al Sharpton's bodyguards is standing here waiting for me to get off the phone so Al can make a call"...

[Purplehood]

If the cops believe the girl was crossing illegally, they are correct in issuing a citation.

Assuming the driver was unable to see the girl crossing where she wasn't supposed to be crossing, the ticket backs up the drivers claim of innocence. Just like at a traffic accident, if the LEO can make a solid judgment about who was at fault, they should write an appropriate ticket.

I saw the mom interviewed on Fox... If her side of the story is accurate, the LEO was pretty insensitive when he gave her the citation. But if the girl was jaywalking, the citation was righteous and necessary to protect the (apparently) innocent driver.

Of course, not all the facts are known...

To be honest, If I was an LEO and was told to issue the ticket I would probably try and mail it to Mom.

[OldCannon]

I missed nailing Al Sharpton by fractions of an inch.

Most heartbreaking story I've read on here.

[DONT TREAD ON ME]

A bunch of years ago, 1987 to be exact, I was driving east on State St. in Albany, NY and obeying all of the traffic laws, when a person stepped out into the street, from between parked vehicles which blocked my view of him, directly in front of my one ton telephone van. I narrowly missed him, but often have wondered how different the world would be if my driving skills were not better or my brakes not as good, and why the cops didn't give him a ticket, as they were witnesses to the whole thing. Maybe LVPD would have.

I missed nailing Al Sharpton by fractions of an inch.

Why is this Las Vegas event reported in Fox news Boston?

Im gonna tell you the same thing one of my old bosses told me...

I was 50' in the air in a knuckle boom tightening the nuts on bolts that were holding 2 x two ton steel beams together. It was mid July in Missouri so it was high 90s with 1,000% humidity. The beams were just being put up so we were not tightening them all the way just using the HUGE wrenches that we had. Well, my hands were filled with sweat and my wrench slipped out of my hand and fell. Right at that exact moment in time the big boss, the one that NONE of us liked, walked right underneath me without a hardhat on (he was not too bright). That big old wrench went flying by him and missed him by mere centimeters. He looked up at me and nervously laughed a little, like I said he was an idiot. My boss comes over tells me to get down now! He looked me dead in the eye and says in a loud voice...

"If you ever do that again...and miss, your fired!"

He then poked fun at me and sent me back to work.

[seamusTX]

If the cops believe the girl was crossing illegally, they are correct in issuing a citation.

Assuming the driver was unable to see the girl crossing where she wasn't supposed to be crossing, the ticket backs up the drivers claim of innocence.

In the first place, issuing a citation and the finding of guilt or innocence on that citation have no effect on the driver's liability.

If you ever get into a traffic collision where a ticket is issued you will find this out.

The insurance company either will or won't pay, and the injured party will or won't sue. The insurance company will defend any lawsuit. That's why we have insurance.

Secondly, this is a young minor who probably can't be found guilty of a criminal offense (I don't know Nevada law).

I will be very surprised if the vehicle was not owned by the city or the driver was not a relative of police official or politician.

- Jim

[Excaliber]

If the cops believe the girl was crossing illegally, they are correct in issuing a citation.

Assuming the driver was unable to see the girl crossing where she wasn't supposed to be crossing, the ticket backs up the drivers claim of innocence. Just like at a traffic accident, if the LEO can make a solid judgment about who was at fault, they should write an appropriate ticket.

I saw the mom interviewed on Fox... If her side of the story is accurate, the LEO was pretty insensitive when he gave her the citation. But if the girl was jaywalking, the citation was righteous and necessary to protect the (apparently) innocent driver.

Of course, not all the facts are known...

If the LVPD's policy is to investigate auto accidents and issue citations when violations of law are found, the issuance of the ticket should not be an issue any more than it would be in a case of a driver who ran a stop sign and was ticketed after being injured in a T-bone collision. The driver involved in the girl's case will have a very expensive insurance claim to deal with, and finding of fault will have a huge impact on his insurance premiums. If the police can determine that the girl's failure to comply with applicable laws, however minor, were the major contributing cause to the accident, they have an obligation to document that. If you were in that driver's shoes, you'd want them to do that too.

How and when the citation should be issued in a case like this is another discussion. I don't know the laws that govern citation service in Nevada.

[seamusTX]

That's a remarkable level of public service, delivering a misdemeanor citation to a child in the hospital so that the poor beleaguered driver doesn't suffer.

I guess the police didn't have any Costco patrons to shoot that day.

Being involved in a collision and having your insurance company pay is not that big a deal if you aren't drunk or something like that. At least with Progressive, if you don't have claims, your insurance cost goes down every year. If you have claims, the cost doesn't go down as much.

Probably they would give you the boot if you had multiple claims in a short time. I wouldn't know.

(Progressive has paid off three total wrecks for me since 2000. None of them were my fault.)

- Jim