canada

[texaspilgrim]

Found something on youtube you might find interesting. I lived in canada for 3 yrs. and am not surprised by this at all. Not sure how to add the link here so just go to youtube and search "a heritage of our own-sam steele".

[mgood]

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=Lab6gyWsMXo[/youtube]

[texaspilgrim]

Thanks mgood. Some day I gotta learn how to use these things. I still live in the 1960's.

[The Annoyed Man]

The problem with the video is, of course, its historical accuracy.
KLONDIKE GOLD RUSH:

The Klondike Gold Rush was a frenzy of gold rush immigration to and gold prospecting in the Klondike near Dawson City in the Yukon Territory, Canada, after gold was discovered in the late 19th century.

HISTORY OF CANADIAN GUN LAWS:

The following is a summary of the history of gun control laws in Canada:

• The Criminal Code of Canada enacted in 1892, required individuals to have a permit to carry a pistol unless the owner had cause to fear assault or injury. Not until 1935 was it considered an offence to sell a pistol to anyone under 16. Vendors who sold handguns had to keep records, including purchaser's name, the date of sale and a description of the gun.

Anybody heading to a wilderness gold mining camp had reason to fear assault or injury, and thus under Canadian law, they required no justification to carry a gun. And of course, the reason the miner in the video didn't shoot the mounty is that he was a law-abiding person, and not because the mounty was some kind of Jedi Knight.

[Gunner21]

Wow haven't seen those Heritage vids in awhile.

Don't let this sway you're opinions of Canadians folks. The majority of us would love to be able to conceal carry, or hell to actually own anything other than a long rifle or shotgun without a mountain of paperwork.

**sidenote I did watch some pistol IPSC matches from Nova Scotia last month.

[The Annoyed Man]

Wow haven't seen those Heritage vids in awhile.

Don't let this sway you're opinions of Canadians folks. The majority of us would love to be able to conceal carry, or heck to actually own anything other than a long rifle or shotgun without a mountain of paperwork.

**sidenote I did watch some pistol IPSC matches from Nova Scotia last month.

With all due respect, if it truly is the majority, then why don't you vote those things into existence? Why do you continue to accept such repression of your natural rights?

I'll tell you what I think the continued acceptance of repression comes from, and that is a sense of defeat and powerlessness against your own government. Otherwise, I don't think Canadians would allow the status quo to drag on. My private theory is that it comes from Canadians having remained in their hearts—like much of the former empire—subjects of the British Crown rather than citizens of independent nations, well beyond the 18th century. That is a different path to independence than the armed rebellion of the 13 American colonies.

[Gunner21]

Wow haven't seen those Heritage vids in awhile.

Don't let this sway you're opinions of Canadians folks. The majority of us would love to be able to conceal carry, or heck to actually own anything other than a long rifle or shotgun without a mountain of paperwork.

**sidenote I did watch some pistol IPSC matches from Nova Scotia last month.

With all due respect, if it truly is the majority, then why don't you vote those things into existence? Why do you continue to accept such repression of your natural rights?

I'll tell you what I think the continued acceptance of repression comes from, and that is a sense of defeat and powerlessness against your own government. Otherwise, I don't think Canadians would allow the status quo to drag on. My private theory is that it comes from Canadians having remained in their hearts—like much of the former empire—subjects of the British Crown rather than citizens of independent nations, well beyond the 18th century. That is a different path to independence than the armed rebellion of the 13 American colonies.

Why don't I vote? Because I moved to the U.S. . As far as the rest of it goes. this is why. Alberta (think Oklahoma), a rather conservative province holds 28 seats that's 28 seats between 3 major parties PC, Liberal, and NDP. Usually either the PC or Liberals will hold the majority of the seats with the NDP (filled with woodhead types) holding seats in order to become the official opposition the NDP more often than not is the sway vote.

Saskatchewan has 14 seats, Manitoba holds 14 also. now these 3 provinces are, like I said rather conservative in nature.

Now lets look at British Columbia, Ontario, and Quebec; BC 36 seats and very liberal, Ontario 106, Quebec 75, Atlantic Canada holds 31 total between 4 provinces.

Now as far as voting on changes to gun laws, which MP's are going to win out in a no vote. It's a matter of numbers. Majority rules. Now remember the NDP? what if they hold more seats than the liberals but less than the PC's who do you think the New Democratic party is going to vote with?
so you see it's not so much about complacency as it is about the numbers game. Let also not forget that Canada is a Nanny State. The Gooberment believes Canadians aren't capable of making decisions for them selves.

In closing, we can rant and rave all we want, nothing is going to change until the Government changes, and by that I mean it's attitude about guns and that's not going to happen. With the majority of population being centered in and around large Urban centers (and we know what thats like right?) honest law abiding citizens will never be able to carry let alone buy pistols, meanwhile gangs like the Triad in Vancouver can get them very easily.

One Final note. You seem to have the misconception that all Canadians are tea sipping, crumpet munching slaves of the Queen. We haven't been that way since we brought home the Constitution and wrote the bill of rights. Canadians are proud of their heritage there is a load of history between Canada and the British Empire, I would hesitate to call Canadians slaves to the Crown. It is deeply entrenched in the Canadian psyche and very much a part of it's identity.

It's not easy to shed that.

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[Heartland Patriot]

So, I took a quick look at the link for Canadian firearms laws and one thing stood out more than anything else. You pretty much cannot use ANYTHING, but especially a firearm, to defend yourself. Thus, if I were a rather large law-breaker in Canada, I could simply enter your home with a couple of my rather large pals in my gang and beat you to death with my hands. All I would have to do is note the homes of individuals of smaller stature who seem well-off enough and make them our targets. And there would be NOTHING, by the law, that they could do about it. There is something so fundamentally wrong with that whole mentality up there. In fact, if I ever get some sort of desire to see something in Canada, I will remind myself about that mentality, and the moment will pass. I just cannot understand a people who don't believe in the fundamental right to be secure in your person and property. God Bless the Founding Fathers of the USA and those who have given so much in blood, sweat and tears to defend it.

[The Annoyed Man]

I'll tell you what I think the continued acceptance of repression comes from, and that is a sense of defeat and powerlessness against your own government. Otherwise, I don't think Canadians would allow the status quo to drag on. My private theory is that it comes from Canadians having remained in their hearts—like much of the former empire—subjects of the British Crown rather than citizens of independent nations, well beyond the 18th century. That is a different path to independence than the armed rebellion of the 13 American colonies.

One Final note. You seem to have the misconception that all Canadians are tea sipping, crumpet munching slaves of the Queen. We haven't been that way since we brought home the Constitution and wrote the bill of rights. Canadians are proud of their heritage there is a load of history between Canada and the British Empire, I would hesitate to call Canadians slaves to the Crown. It is deeply entrenched in the Canadian psyche and very much a part of it's identity.

It's not easy to shed that.

Thanks for explaining the numbers. And, I don't think of Canadians as wussies at all. I merely meant that you have a nation that has a long historical attachment to the crown, unlike the U.S., and it is my observation that "subjects of the crown" seem to cherish that relationship. But, even though you have all the other rights of citizenship that your laws allow you, it's my theory that there is a psychological difference between people who see themselves as subjects of a crown, and those who see themselves as sovereign citizens who merely tolerate government. Under the first system, citizens are "granted" rights by a benevolent government, and denied other rights "for their own good." Under the latter system, citizens are born with natural rights, and are disinclined to submit to having their natural rights abrogated by government.

Obviously, if you live here now and you've taken the trouble to get your CHL and exercise your rights, then you have cast off any sense of subjugation. And I apologize if what I'm saying seems arrogant or judgmental, because I most certainly don't mean it that way. I am just seeking to understand, and that is what I come up with.

[Ameer]

One Final note. You seem to have the misconception that all Canadians are tea sipping, crumpet munching slaves of the Queen. We haven't been that way since we brought home the Constitution and wrote the bill of rights. Canadians are proud of their heritage there is a load of history between Canada and the British Empire, I would hesitate to call Canadians slaves to the Crown. It is deeply entrenched in the Canadian psyche and very much a part of it's identity.

Well, no, but iirc Canada is still technically a constitutional monarchy, and it's only been 30ish years that the Canadian Constitution was under Canada's control. That's a lot of history and, like you say, it seems like a big part of the Canadian identity.

[texaspilgrim]

Well, I thought that video would open a can o'worms. I'll just say I lived on the west coast of canada for 3 yrs. and had to deal with a lot of........stuff from the gov't. I could not get back to Texas fast enough.

[Gunner21]

I'll tell you what I think the continued acceptance of repression comes from, and that is a sense of defeat and powerlessness against your own government. Otherwise, I don't think Canadians would allow the status quo to drag on. My private theory is that it comes from Canadians having remained in their hearts—like much of the former empire—subjects of the British Crown rather than citizens of independent nations, well beyond the 18th century. That is a different path to independence than the armed rebellion of the 13 American colonies.

One Final note. You seem to have the misconception that all Canadians are tea sipping, crumpet munching slaves of the Queen. We haven't been that way since we brought home the Constitution and wrote the bill of rights. Canadians are proud of their heritage there is a load of history between Canada and the British Empire, I would hesitate to call Canadians slaves to the Crown. It is deeply entrenched in the Canadian psyche and very much a part of it's identity.

It's not easy to shed that.

Thanks for explaining the numbers. And, I don't think of Canadians as wussies at all. I merely meant that you have a nation that has a long historical attachment to the crown, unlike the U.S., and it is my observation that "subjects of the crown" seem to cherish that relationship. But, even though you have all the other rights of citizenship that your laws allow you, it's my theory that there is a psychological difference between people who see themselves as subjects of a crown, and those who see themselves as sovereign citizens who merely tolerate government. Under the first system, citizens are "granted" rights by a benevolent government, and denied other rights "for their own good." Under the latter system, citizens are born with natural rights, and are disinclined to submit to having their natural rights abrogated by government.

Obviously, if you live here now and you've taken the trouble to get your CHL and exercise your rights, then you have cast off any sense of subjugation. And I apologize if what I'm saying seems arrogant or judgmental, because I most certainly don't mean it that way. I am just seeking to understand, and that is what I come up with.

Fair enough, no offense taken and no apologies necessary. For what it's worth I never realized how free I had become until I got my Citizenship. My Friends and Family back home don't get the whole "I carry and gun around with me at all times" nor do they get the fact that I Love to sport shoot. C'est La vee (spelled wrong for a reason the French Canadians hardly bothered to learn english why should I learn rench )

[Gunner21]

Well, I thought that video would open a can o'worms. I'll just say I lived on the west coast of canada for 3 yrs. and had to deal with a lot of........stuff from the gov't. I could not get back to Texas fast enough.

Never went to the "West Coast". Lived in Ontario for a year and hated it it, everyone wants to goto Taranna. Loved Halifax Nova Scotia though.