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Red, White and Bayou - "No Weapons (even concealed)"

Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 10:06 am
by Matt Fleming
Dickinson is hosting a one day crawfish festival today - http://www.redwhiteandbayou.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. On the website, it says the event is organized and sponsored by the City of Dickinson and other Dickinson government entities. The website says "No Weapons (even concealed)". We all know with "Pre-Emption" that local government entities (city and county) cannot post 30.06 signs. How can a festival operated by a City prohibit Concealed Handgun Licensees from entering the event? Charles?

Re: Red, White and Bayou - "No Weapons (even concealed)"

Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 10:29 am
by Teamless
I am not Charles, but they cannot prevent it, without 30.06 signs, and even then, on city property, it should be invalid.

Re: Red, White and Bayou - "No Weapons (even concealed)"

Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 11:04 am
by seamusTX
bestshotrange wrote:How can a festival operated by a City prohibit Concealed Handgun Licensees from entering the event?
Probably the same way they did with Mardi Gras in Galveston.

If they have metal detectors, they can tell you you are not allowed to enter. What are you going to do then? That is a serious question, not a glib comment.

I had this problem. I tried to get to the root of it afterward, but the city manager was fired, and it will be back to square 1 next year.

- Jim

Re: Red, White and Bayou - "No Weapons (even concealed)"

Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 4:46 pm
by austin-tatious
seamusTX wrote:
bestshotrange wrote:How can a festival operated by a City prohibit Concealed Handgun Licensees from entering the event?
Probably the same way they did with Mardi Gras in Galveston.

If they have metal detectors, they can tell you you are not allowed to enter. What are you going to do then? That is a serious question, not a glib comment.

I had this problem. I tried to get to the root of it afterward, but the city manager was fired, and it will be back to square 1 next year.

- Jim
The city manager was fired...hmmm. I wonder if the policy for Mardi Gras had anything to do with it. Hope so.

Re: Red, White and Bayou - "No Weapons (even concealed)"

Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 8:52 pm
by Ameer
seamusTX wrote:If they have metal detectors, they can tell you you are not allowed to enter. What are you going to do then? That is a serious question, not a glib comment.
Turn around and go somewhere safer. On the other hand if no metal detectors we can attend.

Re: Red, White and Bayou - "No Weapons (even concealed)"

Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 9:12 pm
by C-dub
The City of Allen did not post their streets when they held their Octoberfest Festival. I carried and there was beer everywhere that day. The police were all over and no one asked to search anyone. I wasn't even carded when I went to get my wife a beer. They might have actually made more than 51% of their profits that day from beer.

Re: Red, White and Bayou - "No Weapons (even concealed)"

Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 9:14 pm
by ScottDLS
C-dub wrote:The City of Allen did not post their streets when they held their Octoberfest Festival. I carried and there was beer everywhere that day. The police were all over and no one asked to search anyone. I wasn't even carded when I went to get my wife a beer. They might have actually made more than 51% of their profits that day from beer.
:iagree:

Or turn around and find another way to get in. If I remember the original post about the Galveston event, there were a number of people who went in different entrances and weren't searched. For an outdoor event on city streets it's hard, but not impossible, to search everyone. So it doesn't happen very often.

Re: Red, White and Bayou - "No Weapons (even concealed)"

Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 9:32 pm
by seamusTX
austin-tatious wrote:The city manager was fired...hmmm. I wonder if the policy for Mardi Gras had anything to do with it.
No. The reasons were all political.

- Jim

Re: Red, White and Bayou - "No Weapons (even concealed)"

Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 3:48 pm
by rm9792
seamusTX wrote:
bestshotrange wrote:How can a festival operated by a City prohibit Concealed Handgun Licensees from entering the event?
Probably the same way they did with Mardi Gras in Galveston.

If they have metal detectors, they can tell you you are not allowed to enter. What are you going to do then? That is a serious question, not a glib comment.

I had this problem. I tried to get to the root of it afterward, but the city manager was fired, and it will be back to square 1 next year.

- Jim
I showed my CHL at Mardi Gras and they waved the whole group with me thru. Out of town cop wanted to stop me but the ticket guy said they had to let me in.

Re: Red, White and Bayou - "No Weapons (even concealed)"

Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 3:56 pm
by seamusTX
I know. It depended upon who was working the gate.

The policy had been posted that CHL holders and other licensed individuals could carry weapons, but it did not get around to all the security personnel or out-of-town LEOs who were working there.

Pretty much every publicly-sponsored festival is going to have this problem.

- Jim

Re: Red, White and Bayou - "No Weapons (even concealed)"

Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 8:20 am
by kjolly
If no 30.06 or 51% signs, concealed is concealed. I don't know about you but crowds make me nervous. Bad things can happen.