New Scanners Detect Bombs, Guns, and Knives in Crowds
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New Scanners Detect Bombs, Guns, and Knives in Crowds
According to this article, the British have developed a scanner that can reportedly pick out persons carrying bombs, handguns, or knives from a distance with no indication to the targets that they are being scanned.
The implications are staggering if you think about it.
The implications are staggering if you think about it.
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Re: New Scanners Detect Bombs, Guns, and Knives in Crowds
Interesting 4th Amendment implications with that one.Excaliber wrote:
The implications are staggering if you think about it.
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Sounds like HS/TSA will be their biggest customer to further restrict our Constitutional rights!
I'm sure there is no consideration to dump all the useless TSA gropes/scans and do Israeli profiling that has proven to work!
Heck, TSA cannot even correctly check boarding passes (recent flight taken with expired/stolen boarding pass and no identification). How can we expect them to do ANYTHING correctly?

I'm sure there is no consideration to dump all the useless TSA gropes/scans and do Israeli profiling that has proven to work!
Heck, TSA cannot even correctly check boarding passes (recent flight taken with expired/stolen boarding pass and no identification). How can we expect them to do ANYTHING correctly?
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And if used for that purpose would be great. However as AEA said, it will eventually be used to restrict our constitutional rights...kbscobravert wrote:Born out of the necessity to keep our troops safer while they fight to protect us.

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It would surprise me more if that technology did not exist.
With ground penetrating radar and FBI X-ray vans .... guess I'll fill my pockets with lead, have metallic linings sewn into clothes .... and wear a tinfoil hat for shielding to reduce radiation exposure.
Great ... not again .... last time my teeth fillings kept getting radio signals from the Planet Exxon when I had all that metal around me ... now I'll probably pick up planet Valero too
With ground penetrating radar and FBI X-ray vans .... guess I'll fill my pockets with lead, have metallic linings sewn into clothes .... and wear a tinfoil hat for shielding to reduce radiation exposure.

Great ... not again .... last time my teeth fillings kept getting radio signals from the Planet Exxon when I had all that metal around me ... now I'll probably pick up planet Valero too

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No, they'll have to retain the groping because the new scanner cannot detect soiled Depends on 90 year old ladies yet.AEA wrote:Sounds like HS/TSA will be their biggest customer to further restrict our Constitutional rights!![]()
I'm sure there is no consideration to dump all the useless TSA gropes/scans and do Israeli profiling that has proven to work!
Heck, TSA cannot even correctly check boarding passes (recent flight taken with expired/stolen boarding pass and no identification). How can we expect them to do ANYTHING correctly?

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This morning a talk show host on AM radio (IDK who) stated that Homeland Security has
developed some intelligence that Muslim terrorists are considering implanting bombs in people's bodies.
The host speculated that women whose bust looked "store bought" in size would be profiled as potential C4 <or some explosive> carriers.
People who have surgery scars may also be profiled.
I understand that talk show hosts have to generate fear and outrage every day to justify their existence, but sometimes
they do point out upcoming problems about which the general populace should be aware.
SIA
developed some intelligence that Muslim terrorists are considering implanting bombs in people's bodies.
The host speculated that women whose bust looked "store bought" in size would be profiled as potential C4 <or some explosive> carriers.
People who have surgery scars may also be profiled.
I understand that talk show hosts have to generate fear and outrage every day to justify their existence, but sometimes
they do point out upcoming problems about which the general populace should be aware.
SIA
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Quoting the article:
The implications are not only staggering, they are cause for great concern about civil liberties.
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So if American law enforcement starts using this stuff, they're going to know if we're carrying a gun? Does that mean that anybody carrying is going to get stopped and asked for ID to prove that they aren't a criminal?Heavily-censored reports obtained by the newspaper in a freedom of information request reveal other trials saw the guinea pigs armed with "handguns and knives."
The implications are not only staggering, they are cause for great concern about civil liberties.
I have an 8" long surgical scar up my lower spine. I used to joke about "that's where they hid the bomb" (delivered in an exaggerated whisper). Not any more. I don't tell anybody about it unless they have a need to know.SIA wrote:The host speculated that women whose bust looked "store bought" in size would be profiled as potential C4 <or some explosive> carriers.
People who have surgery scars may also be profiled.
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As a dedicated number plate watcher, I have seen the Texas vanity number plate "C4".
The last time I saw it, it was on a white Ford Ranger in and around Corinth (Denton County), Texas.
SIA
The last time I saw it, it was on a white Ford Ranger in and around Corinth (Denton County), Texas.
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N. Texas LTC's hold 3 breakfasts each month. All are 800 AM. OC is fine.
2nd Saturdays: Rudy's BBQ, N. Dallas Pkwy, N.bound, N. of Main St., Frisco.
3rd Saturdays: Golden Corral, 465 E. I-20, Collins St exit, Arlington.
4th Saturdays: Sunny St. Cafe, off I-20, Exit 415, Mikus Rd, Willow Park.
2nd Saturdays: Rudy's BBQ, N. Dallas Pkwy, N.bound, N. of Main St., Frisco.
3rd Saturdays: Golden Corral, 465 E. I-20, Collins St exit, Arlington.
4th Saturdays: Sunny St. Cafe, off I-20, Exit 415, Mikus Rd, Willow Park.
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Maybe a spin off from these things.
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Doesn't make me feel comfortable.
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Doesn't make me feel comfortable.
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I have to be honest I am seeing some hypocrisy in this thread. Some here have in the same post said this os violating our right then saying we should profile people. You can't have it both ways. This seems like a better alternative in airports than the current scanners and pat-downs.
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Obviously my post you are referring to....
Hypocrisy may in fact be apparent, thanks for pointing that out.
Bottom line is, one is proven to work (Israeli system) while the other (HS/TSA system) is just a waste of money and a "feel good" attempt at security.
And the topic (system) described in the OP would NOT be a better alternative in airports as it would be an addition to what they do now, NOT a substitute.
Hypocrisy may in fact be apparent, thanks for pointing that out.
Bottom line is, one is proven to work (Israeli system) while the other (HS/TSA system) is just a waste of money and a "feel good" attempt at security.
And the topic (system) described in the OP would NOT be a better alternative in airports as it would be an addition to what they do now, NOT a substitute.
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We're not talking about airports. We're talking about crowds. Any crowds. That's not profiling. That's a straight up police state.loadedliberal wrote:I have to be honest I am seeing some hypocrisy in this thread. Some here have in the same post said this os violating our right then saying we should profile people. You can't have it both ways. This seems like a better alternative in airports than the current scanners and pat-downs.
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