Driving to North Dakota

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Driving to North Dakota

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I will be driving to ND (going through OK, KS, NE, SD, and IA) soon and I'd like to take my Glock with me in my Ford Expedition. Anything special I need to know or do? Thanks for your assistance.

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http://handgunlaw.us/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; gives a brief overview of gun laws by state.
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Dave2 wrote:http://handgunlaw.us/ gives a brief overview of gun laws by state.
Another good state-by-state source is the NRA: http://www.nraila.org/gunlaws" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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If you have a CHL, then you should be OK. Just reference the sites above for laws of each state.

If you DON'T have a CHL, then you still need to look at the listed sites and see if the states allow carry in a motor vehicle or if you would have to lock it up in the back.
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JimJr wrote:I will be driving to ND (going through OK, KS, NE, SD, and IA) soon and I'd like to take my Glock with me in my Ford Expedition. Anything special I need to know or do? Thanks for your assistance.

Grace & Peace, Jim
AFAIK, Texas is the only state with a 30.06 type sign. In some states, "gunbuster" signs are due notice. Check 'em out.

Safe travels. I understand there are 1,000's of jobs goin' beggin' in the ND oil patch.
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Oldgringo wrote:
JimJr wrote:I will be driving to ND (going through OK, KS, NE, SD, and IA) soon and I'd like to take my Glock with me in my Ford Expedition. Anything special I need to know or do? Thanks for your assistance.

Grace & Peace, Jim
AFAIK, Texas is the only state with a 30.06 type sign. In some states, "gunbuster" signs are due notice. Check 'em out.

Safe travels. I understand there are 1,000's of jobs goin' beggin' in the ND oil patch.
There are a couple of other states with "specific wording" requirements, similar to our PC 30.06, but IIRC none of the states the OP mentions have them. MO has specific wording requirements (but not size)--or at least they did last time I was in that neck of the woods. For what it's worth, to my knowledge, the specific wording requirements in other states share the same legal issues as Texas' 30.06, in that there is no case law to support/expand upon the intriciacies of such requirements.

Handgunlaw.us is my go-to source for these matters. They have a .pdf for each state you can print out and carry with you. It's not perfect, but it's served me pretty well over the years.

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cbunt1 wrote:
Oldgringo wrote:
JimJr wrote:I will be driving to ND (going through OK, KS, NE, SD, and IA) soon and I'd like to take my Glock with me in my Ford Expedition. Anything special I need to know or do? Thanks for your assistance.

Grace & Peace, Jim
AFAIK, Texas is the only state with a 30.06 type sign. In some states, "gunbuster" signs are due notice. Check 'em out.

Safe travels. I understand there are 1,000's of jobs goin' beggin' in the ND oil patch.
There are a couple of other states with "specific wording" requirements, similar to our PC 30.06, but IIRC none of the states the OP mentions have them. MO has specific wording requirements (but not size)--or at least they did last time I was in that neck of the woods. For what it's worth, to my knowledge, the specific wording requirements in other states share the same legal issues as Texas' 30.06, in that there is no case law to support/expand upon the intriciacies of such requirements.

Handgunlaw.us is my go-to source for these matters. They have a .pdf for each state you can print out and carry with you. It's not perfect, but it's served me pretty well over the years.

Safe travels!
They have to be 11"x14" and 1" letters, but no specific wording other than stating clearly that CONCEALED carry is prohibited.

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(15) Any private property whose owner has posted the premises as being off-limits to concealed firearms by means of one or more signs displayed in a conspicuous place of a minimum size of eleven inches by fourteen inches with the writing thereon in letters of not less than one inch. The owner, business or commercial lessee, manager of a private business enterprise, or any other organization, entity, or person may prohibit persons holding a concealed carry endorsement from carrying concealed firearms on the premises and may prohibit employees, not authorized by the employer, holding a concealed carry endorsement from carrying concealed firearms on the property of the employer. If the building or the premises are open to the public, the employer of the business enterprise shall post signs on or about the premises if carrying a concealed firearm is prohibited. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises. An employer may prohibit employees or other persons holding a concealed carry endorsement from carrying a concealed firearm in vehicles owned by the employer;
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...I use a book called Traveler's Guide to the Firearm Laws of the Fifty States...it's rewritten annually...costs under $15, and has the most detail I've found anywhere, not only about reciprocity, but about nuances in the laws from state to state or situation to situation...goes into carry with or without licenses, long gun carry...loaded magazine or not, etc...J. Scott Kappas, Esq. writes it each state has a page for easy reference...been using these for years and haven't found but one mistake of fact...
...then I follow that up with reading the actual law for the state...then I know I have it right...
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Thank you very much everyone. Here is the basic gist:

There is no uniform state transportation procedure for firearms. If in doubt, a traveler should carry firearms unloaded, locked in a case, and stored in an area (such as a trunk or attached toolbox) where they are inaccessible from a vehicle’s passenger compartment and not visible from outside the vehicle. Any ammunition should be stored in a separate locked container.
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JimJr wrote:Thank you very much everyone. Here is the basic gist:

There is no uniform state transportation procedure for firearms. If in doubt, a traveler should carry firearms unloaded, locked in a case, and stored in an area (such as a trunk or attached toolbox) where they are inaccessible from a vehicle’s passenger compartment and not visible from outside the vehicle. Any ammunition should be stored in a separate locked container.
I am not in doubt. I don't go where either I and/or my properly licensed and carried CC is not welcome. Have a safe trip.
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JimJr wrote:Thank you very much everyone. Here is the basic gist:

There is no uniform state transportation procedure for firearms. If in doubt, a traveler should carry firearms unloaded, locked in a case, and stored in an area (such as a trunk or attached toolbox) where they are inaccessible from a vehicle’s passenger compartment and not visible from outside the vehicle. Any ammunition should be stored in a separate locked container.
If you don't have a CHL, then yes, this is correct in states that do not have unlicensed vehicle carry. If you have a CHL, then you can carry in the states where we have reciprocity, which are all ones you mentioned.
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Keith B wrote:If you have a CHL, then you can carry in the states where we have reciprocity, which are all ones you mentioned.
Thanks and I do have a CHL. When I received my CHL last year my instructor told us our firearm could not be carried across state lines but needed to be locked away (just while crossing the state line) even if it was a reciprocity state. Is that correct?

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Here is a very good resource: http://apps.carryconcealed.net/packngo/. I actually prefer it to the others because it interactively helps you to plan your trip's CCW needs/does/don'ts.
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JimJr wrote:
Keith B wrote:If you have a CHL, then you can carry in the states where we have reciprocity, which are all ones you mentioned.
Thanks and I do have a CHL. When I received my CHL last year my instructor told us our firearm could not be carried across state lines but needed to be locked away (just while crossing the state line) even if it was a reciprocity state. Is that correct?

Grace & Peace, Jim

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speedsix wrote:
JimJr wrote:
Keith B wrote:If you have a CHL, then you can carry in the states where we have reciprocity, which are all ones you mentioned.
Thanks and I do have a CHL. When I received my CHL last year my instructor told us our firearm could not be carried across state lines but needed to be locked away (just while crossing the state line) even if it was a reciprocity state. Is that correct?

Grace & Peace, Jim
...absolutely not...
speedsix is right. Either you misunderstood your instructor....which is certainly possible....or your instructor was stating an opinion rather than a fact. The whole point of reciprocity is that other states recognize your CHL as being valid within their borders. If it is valid within their borders, then why on earth would you lock up your gun when you can carry it instead?

Take a look at the link I posted in my previous post.
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