Shooting In San Angelo....Interesting Turn of Events...

[snatchel]

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[snatchel]

This is the news story. One of the accused, Bobby, is an acuaintance of mine. He has quite a different story of what happened. After class I will post what he said happened,.... Either way, this was probably avoidable.

SAN ANGELO, Texas — Two men were arrested Thursday evening in a shooting incident that took place Wednesday night at a storage unit in north San Angelo, police said.

A 16-year-old girl was injured and taken to Shannon Medical Center in the incident, which was reported about

10:30 p.m. She was treated for injuries that were not life-threatening, police said.

Police said when they arrived they met with a boy who identified himself as 17-year-old Joshua White. He told officers his girlfriend had been shot.

According to the police news release, the girl had “visible wounds to her arms and upper torso.”

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This is the SAPD Press report from their facebook page....

Yesterday, July 18, 2012, at approximately 10:30 p.m., San Angelo Police were dispatched to the Freedom Mini Warehouses, 3301 Riverside Golf Club Rd., to investigate the report of a shooting victim and possible Motor Vehicle Accident. The Investigation lead to charges of Deadly Conduct for two San Angelo men.



Shortly after arriving to the scene, SAPD officers located a male and female subject standing by a 2008 Kia Spectra that had crashed into one of the storage units. The male subject identified himself as Joshua White (DOB 03-24-95) of San Angelo. He told officers that the female was his girlfriend and she had been shot. The girlfriend, identified as a sixteen (16) year old juvenile, had visible wounds to her arms and upper torso. Two additional subjects were located at the scene and identified as Bobby Bydalek (DOB 09-30-86) and Sidney Clemmer (DOB 03-19-43), both of San Angelo.


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[surprise_i'm_armed]

Are we to infer from the information provided so far that the young couple went
to the storage place for a little smooching, and were then shot by the older men
due to trespassing? That's my thoughts so far.

SIA

[barstoolguru]

I am just a stranger looking at it but was it necessary for them to shoot. Was there criminal activity or were the kids looking for a place to have some fun?

Could a warning to vacate the property worked?

[snatchel]

Ok. So here is the story I was told by Bobby. I am paraphrasing from memory, so I can't quote.. and I may be off a little. Nonetheless, this is the gist. I'll put it into quotations so that it is easily recognizable though..

About 2 months ago I bought that gun. It was a Glock 17. (he didn't seem sure about this, but said it was a Glock 17 and that it "is the one all the police carry.") That is how I came to own a handgun in the first place. I bought it because I wanted a gun to go shoot occasionally.

He then went on to give me a backdrop of the story,

I broke up with my girlfriend (by the way, this is not the 16 year old girl who was the victim in the news articles). The break up was nasty, and she stole my credit cards and what not before she left. A few days later, my shop was broken into.

The shop he is referring to was the storage unit the news article mentioned. I'm not sure how big it is.

Whoever broke into my shop took over $10,000 in tools and stuff. They cut the lock, emptied it out, and left

One of his hobbies is working on cars.. so he does have a ton of money invested in tools. I asked him if he reported this, and he said that he did.

The first break in was a couple of days ago. I was out there again the other night when all this happened. I was working on something, and the owner of the facility, (the other person mentioned in the article, Sidney, that was accused with Bobby) was with me hanging out. It was late, and we heard something outside, so Sidney went out to see what it was. Since we had just been robbed recently, he wanted to make sure that it wasn't another thief.

This is where the story gets fuzzy.. and interesting.

Sidney noticed the gate to the facility was open (i'm not sure if it was locked or not.. I'm confused about this) and that this car was inside the gate. He blocked the gate with his truck. Apparently, he got scared and fired off a shot with a shotgun to scare them away (I guess this guy had a shotgun in his car), and I walked outside to see what was going on. Because of the shot, I had my handgun with me. The Kia that the kids were driving raced toward me and the shop, and I jumped out of the way, firing shots at the car. The car crashed into the shop and pinned me against the wall. The car then reversed out of the shop, and was driving away, and I continued firing.

Shortly after, the police arrived. I am not sure who called the cops. I'm not sure, and neither is he, when the girl got shot--whether it was in the initial barrage as the car was racing toward him, or when the car was leaving.

This is his story, essentially. This was the statement he made to the police.

Let's quarterback this, shall we?
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[jocat54]

Man, I hate this...from what I read so far (which is pretty lacking in facts) sounds like your friend and his friend might be in a lot of trouble.

[snatchel]

Man, I hate this...from what I read so far (which is pretty lacking in facts) sounds like your friend and his friend might be in a lot of trouble.

They are in a lot of trouble....

I dont know all the facts. I don't know which version of the story is correct. I would like to think that he had other options to get out of there before things got bad.... but I don't know.

Assuming his story is correct, he had a right to defend himself and his property--also assuming those two kids were theifs, which we don't know at this time.

On the other hand, this Sidney guy was a dummy for blocking the exit with his truck. That was a bad move.

Again, let me say this--Bobby is not a friend of mine.... I want no association with the guy other than the fact that I have met him twice, once through a mutual aquaintence, and once when he sold me a pair of sunglasses at Sunglasses Hut.

[Keith B]

Man, I hate this...from what I read so far (which is pretty lacking in facts) sounds like your friend and his friend might be in a lot of trouble.

They are in a lot of trouble....

I dont know all the facts. I don't know which version of the story is correct. I would like to think that he had other options to get out of there before things got bad.... but I don't know.

Assuming his story is correct, he had a right to defend himself and his property--also assuming those two kids were theifs, which we don't know at this time.

On the other hand, this Sidney guy was a dummy for blocking the exit with his truck. That was a bad move.

Again, let me say this--Bobby is not a friend of mine.... I want no association with the guy other than the fact that I have met him twice, once through a mutual aquaintence, and once when he sold me a pair of sunglasses at Sunglasses Hut.

Too much assuming. Unless you KNOW they took something and were escaping with it, it was simply trespassing. And, once the shot was fired, as long as they were not breaking the law, the driver had every right to try and escape, including running over someone who has a gun pointed at you and has fired.

I think your acquaintance and his friend are going to be heading up the river to spend some quality time in an institution.

[snatchel]

Kieth, I agree with you.

From the way he told the story, he fired shots to defend himself from the vehicle as the vehicle attempted to run over him.

From the way he told the story, his friend, Sidney, fired the shotgun, a "warning shot?" for no reason that I can come up with.

From the way he told the story, the two kids were trespassing, and shouldn't have been there in the first place.

From the news article, kids were trying to get out of there after the shotgun was fired.


I can continue, but things don't make sense.

Regardless of the who is telling the truth, this shouldn't have happened. I am still trying to figure out why the kids were there... and why Bobby felt that he needed to shoot? I don't get it.

[snatchel]

Here is what I am taking away from the whole event:

I don't care if someone is trespassing, robbing, etc. If no weapon is involved, and no one's life is in immediate danger, I'm going to get out and call the police.

Maybe that is cowardly, and maybe as a law abiding citizen I have the right to get involved to prevent a crime from happening, but that doesn't mean that i should.

Preventing a simple burglary or another type of crime like this isn't worth the chance of things getting out of hand, escalating, and ended with shots fired. I'm not going to jail. I think this is where Bobby and Sidney screwed up. They should have just gotten out of there and called the police. If in the process of doing that they were attacked (as he stated,) I can sort of understand firing shots. But I have a hard time believing that he had no other option than firing in his defense.

If I were there, I would have left. I wouldn't not have fired.

[Commander Cody]

He blocked the gate with his truck. Apparently, he got scared and fired off a shot with a shotgun to scare them away

That's odd. Block the gate and scare them away.

[snatchel]

He blocked the gate with his truck. Apparently, he got scared and fired off a shot with a shotgun to scare them away

That's odd. Block the gate and scare them away.

Agreed. Why would you do that? Another thing that just doesn't make sense.

[Jim Beaux]

Wow, life can change in a heartbeat.

I can empathize if Bobby's story is accurate. He knew that there had been some BGs at the location who had victimized him. He knew that the owner went to check out a suspicious car at the location. He heard gun shots. He had a car coming straight for him. His life was in fact in peril as it pinned him against the building. Hopefully he will get a sympathetic jury. I wonder what possessed the 69 year old to shoot (and were the shooters drinking?)


On the other hand, if the teenagers were merely parking (yeah, stupid to be there), I would be outraged.

[Bart]

Okay, two undercover cops at a storage facility that has had reported recent break-in.

They notice the gate has been tampered with and they see a car that doesn't belong there. There car tries to run over one of the cops and he fires at the vehicle to stop the threat.

The fact is, we don't know what really happened, but I'm pretty sure none of the four were cops.