Gun-Sales Restriction Is Upheld for People Under 21

[tomneal]

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I wondered what had happened to this case from Lubbock.

[tomneal]

More info
http://www.examiner.com/article/court-d ... t-gun-case

[Oldgringo]

Call me a commie, pinko liberal, etc. if you must, but I also believe there is a big difference between an 18 year old in uniform and one who is just 'hangin' with his/her buds. No problem have I with this court's ruling.

Flame suit on, fire when ready.

[jimlongley]

Then they ought to move the voting age back to 21, not to mention driver's licenses.

[Oldgringo]

Then they ought to move the voting age back to 21, not to mention driver's licenses.

[Heartland Patriot]

I'm very sorry you gentlemen feel like that. I grew up around firearms and my favorite handgun as a kid was a Dan Wesson .357 with the interchangeable barrels. I joined the military at age 19, and got married at age 21, now married for over 20 years, and yes to the same woman. Not every kid is some dufus or gangbanger. A lot of kids, yes, but not all. Maybe it should be a case of having to exhibit the proper skill-set when you turn 18 to be able to purchase a handgun. I am 100% certain that I could have passed any firearms safety examination when I was 18 years old, and I am also certain that there are kids out there right now that could, too. I know I've taught my older daughter (now in the USAF) and my son (on delayed enlistment for the USAF) safe firearms handling for long-guns and handguns. It sure is lousy to penalize some people because others are not as good as them...isn't that one of the reasons many of us would like to see this current administration go?

[carlson1]

I taught all of my children gun safety at early ages. We went to the range together at least twice a month. I was in LE and they were interested.

My youngest son went to work at Bedford PD as a Detention Officer at the age 18. At the age of 21 he entered the Police Academy. He has now been on the street for three years. But, at the age of 18 he was quite capable of handling firearms with safety and proficiently.

I know 25 year olds that are not competent of handling firearms, but the 2nd Amendment does not give just 21 years and older their rights.

[stealthfightrf17]

I have seen many people who are in their 30's who have no buisness even thinking about touching any firearm. I also know kids that are very mature in the ability to handle a firearm. Age means nothing and should not be a standerd. I have a big problem with the idea that an 18yr old person can enter the military, be trained to kill with firearms AND explosives and somethimes even die for our country, but then is told you have to wait a few more years to buy a handgun cause you might not be mature enough to handel it.

[carlson1]

[rwg3]

These arguments are taking me back to the last century. In the early 70's the country went through the same type of discussions regarding the age of majority and they resulted in the granting the vote the vote to 18 year olds. Some states also lowered the age of legal drinking and all the other things that were limitied to adults. Heck some places evne decriminalized pot. Slowly over time these decisions were reversed until the voting age is about the only one left. I believe that the social research data suggested that 18 year olds, as a group, did not posess the decison skills to handle the freedoms without endangering themselves and others. I know there are many exceptions to this, myself included , but the history is there for all to see.

[jimlongley]

I'm very sorry you gentlemen feel like that. I grew up around firearms and my favorite handgun as a kid was a Dan Wesson .357 with the interchangeable barrels. I joined the military at age 19, and got married at age 21, now married for over 20 years, and yes to the same woman. Not every kid is some dufus or gangbanger. A lot of kids, yes, but not all. Maybe it should be a case of having to exhibit the proper skill-set when you turn 18 to be able to purchase a handgun. I am 100% certain that I could have passed any firearms safety examination when I was 18 years old, and I am also certain that there are kids out there right now that could, too. I know I've taught my older daughter (now in the USAF) and my son (on delayed enlistment for the USAF) safe firearms handling for long-guns and handguns. It sure is lousy to penalize some people because others are not as good as them...isn't that one of the reasons many of us would like to see this current administration go?

I think you are misinterpreting my intent.

If some court were to try to raise the voting age back to 21, and I am old enough that I had to wait until I was 21 to vote, the uproar throughout the country would be deafening. And just imagine what would happen if they tried to make NY State go back to the 60s and move the drinking age back to 18, as it was when I was young and foolish.

My daughters learned to shoot as youngsters and shot on a league with their mother and me when they were teenagers, my son was on his high school rifle team, I have spent many hours in front of Hunter Safety and Home Firearms Safety classes specifically aimed at kids, and still have an Eddie Eagle tape stored somewhere around here. I bought my first rifle off the wall at the filling station/diner/general store when I was 12 or so, and rode home with it on the handlebars of my bicycle and would like my grandchildren and great-grandchildren to have the same rights, unto every generation.

My comment was premised around the court's obvious bias against guns, that "kids" 18 to 21 are too young and do not have the judgement to own (hand)guns and I would like to see them even try to take away the vote or driver's privileges.

[57Coastie]

For a group of generally very stringent no-compromise interpreters of the 2d Amendment to quibble over what the age should be at which one may purchase a gun cannot but remind me of that ancient exercise in negotiation.

A gentleman asked a lady if she would sleep with him for $25.00. "Of course not," she responded.

"How about for $10,000?' said the gentleman.

"Well, that's different," says the lady.

The gentleman then responded, "Now that we have established your morality, let's negotiate the price."

Does not this thread undercut he oft-heard motto, "anyone, any gun, anytime, any place"? Does it not accept that the meaning of the 2d Amendment is a matter of negotiation, and not a matter of plain language?

Jim

[Oldgringo]

to those young men and women who choose to wear the uniform and accept the discipline at an early age. They are certainly not the subject of this thread and perhaps even the court's ruling.

There's an old sayin', "...it only takes one bad apple to spoil the whole bushel...". Perhaps as demonstrated above, if more time/effort was devoted, first in the home and then in the courts, to ridding the bushels of bad apples, we would have better bushels?

[Moby]

Call me a commie, pinko liberal, etc. if you must, but I also believe there is a big difference between an 18 year old in uniform and one who is just 'hangin' with his/her buds. No problem have I with this court's ruling.
Flame suit on, fire when ready.

I have a 21 year old son. There is a big difference in him from 18 to now.

I a hard core right wing conservative. But I agree with gun sales being denied to teenagers.
Their heads are still half up their butts!!!

I think they should be allowed to hunt with adult supervision. Carry??? NO WAY!
I know far too many of his friends to think they could handle that kind of responsibility.
At 18 their lives are all about party and girls. NOT good judgment.

[MeMelYup]

Call me a commie, pinko liberal, etc. if you must, but I also believe there is a big difference between an 18 year old in uniform and one who is just 'hangin' with his/her buds. No problem have I with this court's ruling.
Flame suit on, fire when ready.

I have a 21 year old son. There is a big difference in him from 18 to now.

I a hard core right wing conservative. But I agree with gun sales being denied to teenagers.
Their heads are still half up their butts!!!

I think they should be allowed to hunt with adult supervision. Carry??? NO WAY!
I know far too many of his friends to think they could handle that kind of responsibility.
At 18 their lives are all about party and girls. NOT good judgment.

This subject is like abortion. Who are we to make laws telling other people what they can and cannot do? The only answer I can see is education. It must be mandated in the schools that young persons be taught different levels of gun safety at different ages, and this subject cannot be an elective.