Child Killed by Wild Dogs at Zoo - PA

[knotquiteawake]

I don't want to repost any of the details of the article, its paints too graphic a picture in my mind. The basics is that a 2-year old boy fell into the wild dog enclosure and was attacked and killed by 11 dogs. Zoo keepers tried to distract them but it only got rid of a few. The last dog left 5 minutes after the attack began was finally dispatched by the police officer.

If you were carrying would you have attempted to intervene? Depends on what you were carrying of course. How accurate you are, if you were willing to jump the fence after them.

Also, for the love of all that is common sense, don't hold you kid up over dangerous animal enclosures... kids are stupid clumsy, especially at 2 years old. That family is going to have a lot to deal with. God help them, I will pray for them.


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[Jumping Frog]

Of course I be doing whatever I could to save that kids life. Jump in with him, shoot the dogs, whatever it takes.

[recaffeination]

I feel sorry for the child, the dog who was killed, the zoo keepers, and bystanders I think the adult who dropped the child should be charged with endangerment or wrongful death.

Forum rules prevent me from saying more.

[knotquiteawake]

Of course I be doing whatever I could to save that kids life. Jump in with him, shoot the dogs, whatever it takes.

The longer I carry my little .32 with its 6+1 little bullets the more I want a larger gun. I'm saving up for a G19 right now... 15+1 bullets and only 11 dogs. Also the ability to aim at something further than 5 yards away (anything further than that for my mousegun is a crapshoot for accuracy). I KNOW my mousegun would have been useless in this situation. The gun has its uses for deep concealment for me, but its reading horror stories like this that encourage me to keep saving up for the best gun I can conceal.
Even many of these sub compact 9mms would be hard pressed safety pick the dogs off the little boy from up above. How are the PA gun laws? Was it possible anyone was carrying that on day at the zoo?

[philip964]

I was wondering how the child fell into the enclosure. Most zoos have multiple defenses to prevent even overtly deliberate
Acts. A two year old it would seem would need assistance to do this. So was this murder on the part of the adult there.

[Jumping Frog]

Of course I be doing whatever I could to save that kids life. Jump in with him, shoot the dogs, whatever it takes.

The longer I carry my little .32 with its 6+1 little bullets the more I want a larger gun. I'm saving up for a G19 right now... 15+1 bullets and only 11 dogs. Also the ability to aim at something further than 5 yards away (anything further than that for my mousegun is a crapshoot for accuracy). I KNOW my mousegun would have been useless in this situation.

Well, there you have it.

One of the reasons I responded as I did was the my carry routine. I wear a full size 5" 1911 with 2 spare mags, giving me 25 rounds of .45 ACP to deal with the dogs.

[Oldgringo]

I think the adult who dropped the child should be charged with endangerment or wrongful death.

There it is, there is only one cure for stupidity! Get a rope!

[knotquiteawake]

If only they had leashed their child like those "responsible" adults do...

But seriously, i can't get this story out of my head. I have a 9 month old baby boy. If it were my boy I would jump in gun or not.

[knotquiteawake]

Of course I be doing whatever I could to save that kids life. Jump in with him, shoot the dogs, whatever it takes.

The longer I carry my little .32 with its 6+1 little bullets the more I want a larger gun. I'm saving up for a G19 right now... 15+1 bullets and only 11 dogs. Also the ability to aim at something further than 5 yards away (anything further than that for my mousegun is a crapshoot for accuracy). I KNOW my mousegun would have been useless in this situation.

Well, there you have it.

One of the reasons I responded as I did was the my carry routine. I wear a full size 5" 1911 with 2 spare mags, giving me 25 rounds of .45 ACP to deal with the dogs.

Right. For me its been baby steps. If I had never seen my father in laws .380 mouse gun (same model/size as mine but mine is the .32 version) I would never had even started on the path to CHL. Seeing that tiny gun I suddenly realized that it was possible for me to comfortably carry a gun. Now that I've been carrying for almost a year I am feeling the itch to trade up. This site has been instrumental in doing that.
The other thought that keeps going through my head is 19 or 26? 19 or 26? 19 or 26? 19 or 26?.... i've got time though, only 1/2 the funds are saved up so far.

[Jim Beaux]

I feel sorry for the child, the dog who was killed, the zoo keepers, and bystanders I think the adult who dropped the child should be charged with endangerment or wrongful death.

Forum rules prevent me from saying more.

I believe in grace & think the mother has already suffered more punishment than any criminal conviction can exact. She will grieve the rest of her life. Leave her alone.

[Jaguar]

I believe jumping in would be foolish, these are not house pets, they are wild animals that have become very accustomed to humans and were in a pack attack mode when this happened. They are large, aggressive, and have a bite force greater than even wolves, easily capable of crushing the bones of their prey.

From Wiki,
This is the largest African canid and, behind only the gray wolf, is the world's second largest extant wild canid. Adults typically weigh 18–36 kilograms (40–79 lb). A tall, lean animal, it stands about 75 cm (30 in) at the shoulder, with a head and body length of 75–141 cm (30–56 in) plus a tail of 30 to 45 cm (12 to 18 in).

The African wild dog has a bite force quotient (BFQ, the strength of bite relative to the animal's mass) measured at 142, the highest of any extant mammal of the order Carnivora, although exceeded by the Tasmanian devil, a marsupial carnivore.

Don’t get me wrong, were it my child I would have jumped in with or without pistol, but still I fear they would have had two victims instead of one. Where does one draw the line on jumping in to save a child? Wolves, lions, black bears, tigers, grizzlies, etc.? These are seriously dangerous “dogs” and jumping into a frenzied pack seems like a bad idea.

Horrible situation, my heart goes out to all involved.

[knotquiteawake]

Don’t get me wrong, were it my child I would have jumped in with or without pistol, but still I fear they would have had two victims instead of one. Where does one draw the line on jumping in to save a child? Wolves, lions, black bears, tigers, grizzlies, etc.? These are seriously dangerous “dogs” and jumping into a frenzied pack seems like a bad idea.

Horrible situation, my heart goes out to all involved.

You make a good point and this is probably why it won't get out of my head. I am a problem solver, if my mind attaches to a difficult to solve problem it will keep churning it over and around and through again and again until it finds a solution. I think you are right about two victims. I wonder though if the report of a gun would be enough to break their pack mentality?

[Jim Beaux]

I believe jumping in would be foolish, these are not house pets, they are wild animals that have become very accustomed to humans and were in a pack attack mode when this happened. They are large, aggressive, and have a bite force greater than even wolves, easily capable of crushing the bones of their prey.

From Wiki,
This is the largest African canid and, behind only the gray wolf, is the world's second largest extant wild canid. Adults typically weigh 18–36 kilograms (40–79 lb). A tall, lean animal, it stands about 75 cm (30 in) at the shoulder, with a head and body length of 75–141 cm (30–56 in) plus a tail of 30 to 45 cm (12 to 18 in).

The African wild dog has a bite force quotient (BFQ, the strength of bite relative to the animal's mass) measured at 142, the highest of any extant mammal of the order Carnivora, although exceeded by the Tasmanian devil, a marsupial carnivore.

Don’t get me wrong, were it my child I would have jumped in with or without pistol, but still I fear they would have had two victims instead of one. Where does one draw the line on jumping in to save a child? Wolves, lions, black bears, tigers, grizzlies, etc.? These are seriously dangerous “dogs” and jumping into a frenzied pack seems like a bad idea.

Horrible situation, my heart goes out to all involved.

Good point. To me, if it were my child, jumping in would be suicide, which is the only method to avoid having to live with my causing my child's death.

[SewTexas]

Good point. To me, if it were my child, jumping in would be suicide, which is the only method to avoid having to live with my causing my child's death.

this ^ right there.....

[Oldgringo]

My child wouldn't have been in a position to fall in.