Why Not Renew the “Assault Weapons” Ban? Well, I’ll Tell You

[JALLEN]

Between Two Worlds

It’s not easy being a leftist who loves guns. It’s like being a Republican who listens to NPR or supports single payer health care. But being a leftist, I get exposed to all the liberal publications and media that invariably call for gun control every time someone does something stupid with one. Being a gun enthusiast, I also get exposed to the political Right’s oversimplification of those liberals as somehow lacking moral fiber or true appreciation of freedom. Rather than agreeing with both, I tend to end up arguing with both. It’s exhausting to always feel like I’m apologizing for the other “side”.

This article takes a point of view, but aims to do so in a way that members of both sides of the political spectrum can understand. I’ll try to give some idea as to why we on the political left roll our eyes at the rhetoric of the NRA, and how we in the “gun culture” can possibly defend something called “assault weapons”.

http://kontradictions.wordpress.com/201 ... -tell-you/ for more.

[anygunanywhere]

While referring to the pustule and the NRA the author states:

Despite this conspicuously moderate viewpoint, the NRA continues to stoke the flames of fear, promising that once Obama is reelected to a second term, he’ll have no reason to hold back on the gun control legislation he’s been wanting to implement since 2004.

In my world, if a person ever has or ever intends to pursue any type of antigun campaign they must always be opposed.

I never ever doubted the pustule's eventual pursuiot of banning firearms.

Anygunanywhere

[The Annoyed Man]

Between Two Worlds

It’s not easy being a leftist who loves guns. It’s like being a Republican who listens to NPR or supports single payer health care. But being a leftist, I get exposed to all the liberal publications and media that invariably call for gun control every time someone does something stupid with one. Being a gun enthusiast, I also get exposed to the political Right’s oversimplification of those liberals as somehow lacking moral fiber or true appreciation of freedom. Rather than agreeing with both, I tend to end up arguing with both. It’s exhausting to always feel like I’m apologizing for the other “side”.

This article takes a point of view, but aims to do so in a way that members of both sides of the political spectrum can understand. I’ll try to give some idea as to why we on the political left roll our eyes at the rhetoric of the NRA, and how we in the “gun culture” can possibly defend something called “assault weapons”.

http://kontradictions.wordpress.com/201 ... -tell-you/ for more.

JALLEN, may I suggest that you try putting quoted text between

[/quote ] tags (without the spaces), like I have done for you above? It makes it far easier to tell which are your words, and which are from the link you've given. There's even a "Quote" button in the toolbar above the posting box. If you click it, it will stick the

[/quote ] tags into your post at the point where your typing cursor is located. Also, you can paste the text into your post, then highlight it, then click the "Quote" button, and it will automatically append the opening and closing tags at either end of your quoted text. It just makes things a bit easier to read.

Thanks, and no offense meant....

By the way, your link reminds me of this one: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/04/2 ... -Amendment" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[JALLEN]

While referring to the pustule and the NRA the author states:

Despite this conspicuously moderate viewpoint, the NRA continues to stoke the flames of fear, promising that once Obama is reelected to a second term, he’ll have no reason to hold back on the gun control legislation he’s been wanting to implement since 2004.

In my world, if a person ever has or ever intends to pursue any type of antigun campaign they must always be opposed.

I never ever doubted the pustule's eventual pursuiot of banning firearms.

Anygunanywhere

I wonder if you aren't stepping over the dollars in that article to pick up the dimes.

[anygunanywhere]

Between Two Worlds

It’s not easy being a leftist who loves guns. It’s like being a Republican who listens to NPR or supports single payer health care. But being a leftist, I get exposed to all the liberal publications and media that invariably call for gun control every time someone does something stupid with one. Being a gun enthusiast, I also get exposed to the political Right’s oversimplification of those liberals as somehow lacking moral fiber or true appreciation of freedom. Rather than agreeing with both, I tend to end up arguing with both. It’s exhausting to always feel like I’m apologizing for the other “side”.

This article takes a point of view, but aims to do so in a way that members of both sides of the political spectrum can understand. I’ll try to give some idea as to why we on the political left roll our eyes at the rhetoric of the NRA, and how we in the “gun culture” can possibly defend something called “assault weapons”.

http://kontradictions.wordpress.com/201 ... -tell-you/ for more.

JALLEN, may I suggest that you try putting quoted text between

[/quote ] tags (without the spaces), like I have done for you above? It makes it far easier to tell which are your words, and which are from the link you've given. There's even a "Quote" button in the toolbar above the posting box. If you click it, it will stick the

[/quote ] tags into your post at the point where your typing cursor is located. Also, you can paste the text into your post, then highlight it, then click the "Quote" button, and it will automatically append the opening and closing tags at either end of your quoted text. It just makes things a bit easier to read.

Thanks, and no offense meant....

It took me a minute or two to realize that the text was from the article. I was starting to fume but I held back. I think the reason I managed to hold back was because of the fine coaching I have received the last few days to use diplomacy and tact when dealing with the anti scum. I have learned a lot and really think I have matured as a forum member.

Thanks!

Anygunanywhere

[Oldgringo]

A well written and intelligent article. Thanks for sharing it 'with the choir'.

Now then, how do we share the author's wisdom with, and convert, the non-believers? I'm not convinced that threatening to shoot 'em will get us many converts.

[anygunanywhere]

While referring to the pustule and the NRA the author states:

Despite this conspicuously moderate viewpoint, the NRA continues to stoke the flames of fear, promising that once Obama is reelected to a second term, he’ll have no reason to hold back on the gun control legislation he’s been wanting to implement since 2004.

In my world, if a person ever has or ever intends to pursue any type of antigun campaign they must always be opposed.

I never ever doubted the pustule's eventual pursuiot of banning firearms.

Anygunanywhere

I wonder if you aren't stepping over the dollars in that article to pick up the dimes.

Not picking up dimes. The author clearly has issues with the NRA. There are quite a few pro gun folks who are anti-NRA and sometimes their objections are well founded. However, calling the pustule and even the pustule's actions "moderate" shows that the author is a closet anti.

A person is either for us or against us. Pick a side and let your true colors fly.

We must never relent in our cause, even when the antis appear to be slacking. Even when they put up the appearance of slacking they are actively planning.

Anygunanywhere

[anygunanywhere]

A well written and intelligent article. Thanks for sharing it 'with the choir'.

Now then, how do we share the author's wisdom with, and convert, the non-believers? I'm not convinced that threatening to shoot 'em will get us many converts.

The non-believers will convert when their oxen start getting gored. It will be too late by then but they will eventually see the error of their ways.

Anygunanywhere

[JALLEN]

JALLEN, may I suggest that you try putting quoted text between

[/quote ] tags (without the spaces), like I have done for you above? It makes it far easier to tell which are your words, and which are from the link you've given. There's even a "Quote" button in the toolbar above the posting box. If you click it, it will stick the

[/quote ] tags into your post at the point where your typing cursor is located. Also, you can paste the text into your post, then highlight it, then click the "Quote" button, and it will automatically append the opening and closing tags at either end of your quoted text. It just makes things a bit easier to read.

Thanks, and no offense meant....

By the way, your link reminds me of this one: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/04/2 ... -Amendment" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That is a good suggestion. Thanks. I post a great many articles on other forums with slightly different policies. This one for example doesn't want an entire article posted, limited to a few intro paragraphs etc. I am still developing the habits to meet these policies, and your suggestion is a useful one. I most often post articles I happen to agree with, but not always, and I wouldn't want folks to get the wrong impression, or have a stroke!!

I saw the dailykos article in another forum, too. What's that about a stopped clock?

[NordicTexan]

Hmm, I am a staunch republican who listens to NPR. (I rather like the weekend shows). I did not realize that was view as such an oxymoron.
Of course, I also have the illusion that I can go the gun show this weekend and stil get a reasonable deal.

[JALLEN]

It took me a minute or two to realize that the text was from the article. I was starting to fume but I held back. I think the reason I managed to hold back was because of the fine coaching I have received the last few days to use diplomacy and tact when dealing with the anti scum. I have learned a lot and really think I have matured as a forum member.

Thanks!

Anygunanywhere

No worries. After 37 years of lawyering, I've been hollered at by the best of 'em, and don't think anything of it. I also take the view that

"You are neither right nor wrong because the crowd disagrees with you. You are right because your data and reasoning are right."

-- Ben Graham

[The Annoyed Man]

JALLEN, may I suggest that you try putting quoted text between

[/quote ] tags (without the spaces), like I have done for you above? It makes it far easier to tell which are your words, and which are from the link you've given. There's even a "Quote" button in the toolbar above the posting box. If you click it, it will stick the

[/quote ] tags into your post at the point where your typing cursor is located. Also, you can paste the text into your post, then highlight it, then click the "Quote" button, and it will automatically append the opening and closing tags at either end of your quoted text. It just makes things a bit easier to read.

Thanks, and no offense meant....

By the way, your link reminds me of this one: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/04/2 ... -Amendment" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That is a good suggestion. Thanks. I post a great many articles on other forums with slightly different policies. This one for example doesn't want an entire article posted, limited to a few intro paragraphs etc. I am still developing the habits to meet these policies, and your suggestion is a useful one. I most often post articles I happen to agree with, but not always, and I wouldn't want folks to get the wrong impression, or have a stroke!!

I saw the dailykos article in another forum, too. What's that about a stopped clock?

I think you are referring to another thread which I started on this forum, about that Daily Kos article. As I recall, you were not receptive.

Seriously though, I can't stand the Daily Kos. They are deep in the fever swamp. But the reason I post that article sometimes is EXACTLY because, even deep in the fever swamp, there is occasionally somebody who gets the real reason for the 2nd Amendment: to whit, REVOLUTION. You'd think that a bunch of hopped up hippies in Birkenstocks and tie-dyed shirts would LOVE the idea of a REVOLUTION, but apparently.....not so much. So when one of them gets it, I think it is worth A) posting here, and B) using it to convince your "anti" friends and neighbors.

[Redneck_Buddha]

JALLEN, may I suggest that you try putting quoted text between

[/quote ] tags (without the spaces), like I have done for you above? It makes it far easier to tell which are your words, and which are from the link you've given. There's even a "Quote" button in the toolbar above the posting box. If you click it, it will stick the

[/quote ] tags into your post at the point where your typing cursor is located. Also, you can paste the text into your post, then highlight it, then click the "Quote" button, and it will automatically append the opening and closing tags at either end of your quoted text. It just makes things a bit easier to read.

Thanks, and no offense meant....

By the way, your link reminds me of this one: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/04/2 ... -Amendment" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That is a good suggestion. Thanks. I post a great many articles on other forums with slightly different policies. This one for example doesn't want an entire article posted, limited to a few intro paragraphs etc. I am still developing the habits to meet these policies, and your suggestion is a useful one. I most often post articles I happen to agree with, but not always, and I wouldn't want folks to get the wrong impression, or have a stroke!!

I saw the dailykos article in another forum, too. What's that about a stopped clock?

I think you are referring to another thread which I started on this forum, about that Daily Kos article. As I recall, you were not receptive.

Seriously though, I can't stand the Daily Kos. They are deep in the fever swamp. But the reason I post that article sometimes is EXACTLY because, even deep in the fever swamp, there is occasionally somebody who gets the real reason for the 2nd Amendment: to whit, REVOLUTION. You'd think that a bunch of hopped up hippies in Birkenstocks and tie-dyed shirts would LOVE the idea of a REVOLUTION, but apparently.....not so much. So when one of them gets it, I think it is worth A) posting here, and B) using it to convince your "anti" friends and neighbors.

This ilk is just fine with government now that their Lord and Savior, Hopey McChangenstein, is at the helm. Reinstall the GOP, neo-con structure and all of the sudden they're revolutionaries overnight.

[JALLEN]

I think you are referring to another thread which I started on this forum, about that Daily Kos article. As I recall, you were not receptive.

Seriously though, I can't stand the Daily Kos. They are deep in the fever swamp. But the reason I post that article sometimes is EXACTLY because, even deep in the fever swamp, there is occasionally somebody who gets the real reason for the 2nd Amendment: to whit, REVOLUTION. You'd think that a bunch of hopped up hippies in Birkenstocks and tie-dyed shirts would LOVE the idea of a REVOLUTION, but apparently.....not so much. So when one of them gets it, I think it is worth A) posting here, and B) using it to convince your "anti" friends and neighbors.

What I reacted to in your other post was the Bush-hater, for all the factors I described. Someone who can be described that way is delusional, and worse.

Still, like Churchill said about the Hitler and the Devil: "If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons."