Empathy for Sandy Hook victims turning to resentment

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It is my opinion that the Sandy Hook victims are being exploited to the point that people are going to begin resenting them rather than feeling empathy, and that when the next such tragedy happens, their first thoughts will be "There goes more of my freedom" vs. "Those poor innocents". Some probably even thought this upon hearing the news of Sandy Hook.

I also think the same thing happened with James Brady long ago.

Anti-gun exploiters of these tragedies are doing the victims a huge disservice.

[mojo84]

I resent the exploiters not the victims and their families.

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I resent the exploiters not the victims and their families.

As would any reasonable and compassionate person.

In one recent shooting, one of the victim's relatives stated their support for gun rights and the importance of not blaming guns.

Have any of the Sandy Hook relatives expressed opinions either way?

[The Annoyed Man]

Have any of the Sandy Hook relatives expressed opinions either way?

Not to be unsympathetic, but Connecticut is a state of largely upper middle class and well-healed liberals—many of whom live in the southwest corner of the state and commute to NYC for their jobs. Newtown is in the southwest corner of the state, just east of Danbury. To put it in geographic perspective, Newtown is 70 miles NE of downtown Manhattan, and there are a number of Newtownians who commute to Manhattan (SOURCE). It is a fairly safe bet that most or all of Newtown's residents voted for the very gun policies that resulted in Sandy Hook.

Connecticut's elected officials:

Governor: democrat
Lt Governor: democrat
Both senators, and all 5 representatives: democrat
State Senate: 22 democrats to 14 republicans
State House: 99 democrats to 52 republicans

The Connecticut state Constitution says: "SEC. 15. Every citizen has a right to bear arms in defense of himself and the state." That does not include "Keep," does not include the concept of a citizen militia, or that militia being "well regulated," nor does it state that it cannot be infringed. What it means is that "You don't have a RIGHT to own a gun, but if you have one, you have the right to use it to protect yourself. WE will decide if you should be allowed to have one, and if so, what kind."

The idea of independence was bitterly debated in Connecticut before the outbreak of the Revolutionary War, and the state did not play a prominent part in the hostilities. The three most well known residents from that era were Jonathan Trumbull, Nathan Hale and Benedict Arnold, and one of them was a traitor to the cause (although I realize that is irrelevant in terms of this discussion).

My point is this: Connecticut's voters created the conditions whereby a madman was able to do great harm. I'm betting my money on the fact that, given their previous history toward guns, they will not suddenly make an about face and remedy the problem. I'm betting my money that they will instead compound their errors.

Because of this, although I am able to have great regret at the loss of life, and particularly for the grieving parents—who wouldn't who had been a parent parent themselves like I have—I don't really give a rip for the rest of them, or for their chances going forward. They short-sheeted themselves. Now they have to fix it. Unfortunately, they will probably just hike up the short sheet even further. It's pretty hard to feel bad about self-inflicted stupidity. I hope it hurts enough for them to change their ways.

[C-dub]

I thought I had heard at least one of them express their negative opinion about "assault rifles" and anyone's right to have one.

I already feel both empathy for the survivors of incidents like this and the wrenching of more of our rights being attacked as a result of the knee-jerk response and propagandizing from the left.

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Not to be unsympathetic, but Connecticut is a state of largely upper middle class and well-healed liberals—many of whom live in the southwest corner of the state and commute to NYC for their jobs. Newtown is in the southwest corner of the state, just east of Danbury. To put it in geographic perspective, Newtown is 70 miles NE of downtown Manhattan, and there are a number of Newtownians who commute to Manhattan (SOURCE). It is a fairly safe bet that most or all of Newtown's residents voted for the very gun policies that resulted in Sandy Hook.

It's probably no coincidence that this horrific crime also took place nearby:

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It almost seems like the people there are easy prey.

[Moby]

I feel bad for the victims and their families.

But when the good folks of TN were flooded where was FEMA and the empathy for them?
Texas wild fire victims were snubbed by the Obama admin during their problems.
Why should tax payers pay for their home reconstruction? They should have private insurance.
I do.

Add to this, the unions will not allow non union (cheaper) companies to clean up the mess etc, and I am losing my love for the good people that live by the sea. I do feel we need to help them somehow. But pork will be added to any bill just like the Fiscal Cliff bill pays solar companies hundreds of millions and run companies 150 million. Our government is so corrupt I have become cynical.

IF we could use non union labor or union labor at non union labor rates, avoid all pork, and make the reconstruction a loan or partial loan to the homeowner, I might feel better about it. But if my home were leveled here in Texas there would be no tax payer funded help. I’m not saying don’t help them, but with a request for 60 billion and unions being involved, the tax payer is going to get screwed.
And I’m tired of it! It seems we are running this country from crisis to crisis. And each time America loses.

[mojo84]

I feel bad for the victims and their families.

But when the good folks of TN were flooded where was FEMA and the empathy for them?
Texas wild fire victims were snubbed by the Obama admin during their problems.
Why should tax payers pay for their home reconstruction? They should have private insurance.
I do.

Add to this, the unions will not allow non union (cheaper) companies to clean up the mess etc, and I am losing my love for the good people that live by the sea. I do feel we need to help them somehow. But pork will be added to any bill just like the Fiscal Cliff bill pays solar companies hundreds of millions and run companies 150 million. Our government is so corrupt I have become cynical.

IF we could use non union labor or union labor at non union labor rates, avoid all pork, and make the reconstruction a loan or partial loan to the homeowner, I might feel better about it. But if my home were leveled here in Texas there would be no tax payer funded help. I’m not saying don’t help them, but with a request for 60 billion and unions being involved, the tax payer is going to get screwed.
And I’m tired of it! It seems we are running this country from crisis to crisis. And each time America loses.

What does this have to do with the shooting in Conn.? I think you are talking about hurricane Sandy and we are talking about the shooting in Sandy Hook Elementary. Unless I am missing something.

[Heartland Patriot]

Have any of the Sandy Hook relatives expressed opinions either way?

Not to be unsympathetic, but Connecticut is a state of largely upper middle class and well-healed liberals—many of whom live in the southwest corner of the state and commute to NYC for their jobs. Newtown is in the southwest corner of the state, just east of Danbury. To put it in geographic perspective, Newtown is 70 miles NE of downtown Manhattan, and there are a number of Newtownians who commute to Manhattan (SOURCE). It is a fairly safe bet that most or all of Newtown's residents voted for the very gun policies that resulted in Sandy Hook.

Connecticut's elected officials:

Governor: democrat
Lt Governor: democrat
Both senators, and all 5 representatives: democrat
State Senate: 22 democrats to 14 republicans
State House: 99 democrats to 52 republicans

The Connecticut state Constitution says: "SEC. 15. Every citizen has a right to bear arms in defense of himself and the state." That does not include "Keep," does not include the concept of a citizen militia, or that militia being "well regulated," nor does it state that it cannot be infringed. What it means is that "You don't have a RIGHT to own a gun, but if you have one, you have the right to use it to protect yourself. WE will decide if you should be allowed to have one, and if so, what kind."

The idea of independence was bitterly debated in Connecticut before the outbreak of the Revolutionary War, and the state did not play a prominent part in the hostilities. The three most well known residents from that era were Jonathan Trumbull, Nathan Hale and Benedict Arnold, and one of them was a traitor to the cause (although I realize that is irrelevant in terms of this discussion).

My point is this: Connecticut's voters created the conditions whereby a madman was able to do great harm. I'm betting my money on the fact that, given their previous history toward guns, they will not suddenly make an about face and remedy the problem. I'm betting my money that they will instead compound their errors.

Because of this, although I am able to have great regret at the loss of life, and particularly for the grieving parents—who wouldn't who had been a parent parent themselves like I have—I don't really give a rip for the rest of them, or for their chances going forward. They short-sheeted themselves. Now they have to fix it. Unfortunately, they will probably just hike up the short sheet even further. It's pretty hard to feel bad about self-inflicted stupidity. I hope it hurts enough for them to change their ways.

The ones I feel the worst about are those little kids...who were left unprotected and like sitting ducks in the liberals' precious "gun free zone". And they didn't even get a chance to make a decision about laws or rights...and never will.

I often pray that if I am ever forced into a position to use violence to defend myself or family, that the Lord will steel my heart and grant me the strength to do so.

[rp_photo]

What does this have to do with the shooting in Conn.? I think you are talking about hurricane Sandy and we are talking about the shooting in Sandy Hook Elementary. Unless I am missing something.

I believe that he's making the point that the Left only shows concern for victims when it fits their agenda.

Sandy Hook victims: Fits especially well.

Child victims of wars under Bush's watch: Fits

Child victims of wars under Obama's or Clinton's watch: Doesn't fit.

Victims of natural disasters in blue states: Fits

Victims of natural disasters in red states: Doesn't fit.

Etc.

[rp_photo]

The ones I feel the worst about are those little kids...who were left unprotected and like sitting ducks in the liberals' precious "gun free zone". And they didn't even get a chance to make a decision about laws or rights...and never will.

I often pray that if I am ever forced into a position to use violence to defend myself or family, that the Lord will steel my heart and grant me the strength to do so.

I place the blame squarely on gun free zones as well, but the Liberals are so deep in denial on this that they might as well be at the bottom of the Egyptian river.

[jdhz28]

The ones I feel the worst about are those little kids...who were left unprotected and like sitting ducks in the liberals' precious "gun free zone". And they didn't even get a chance to make a decision about laws or rights...and never will.

I often pray that if I am ever forced into a position to use violence to defend myself or family, that the Lord will steel my heart and grant me the strength to do so.

I place the blame squarely on gun free zones as well, but the Liberals are so deep in denial on this that they might as well be at the bottom of the Egyptian river.

Would that river be De "NILE"

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Would that river be De "NILE"

Yes! I've enjoyed using this lame pun whenever possible for years, and can no longer recall where I first heard it.

[bigbang]

I feel bad for the victims and their families.

But when the good folks of TN were flooded where was FEMA and the empathy for them?
Texas wild fire victims were snubbed by the Obama admin during their problems.
Why should tax payers pay for their home reconstruction? They should have private insurance.
I do.

Add to this, the unions will not allow non union (cheaper) companies to clean up the mess etc, and I am losing my love for the good people that live by the sea. I do feel we need to help them somehow. But pork will be added to any bill just like the Fiscal Cliff bill pays solar companies hundreds of millions and run companies 150 million. Our government is so corrupt I have become cynical.

IF we could use non union labor or union labor at non union labor rates, avoid all pork, and make the reconstruction a loan or partial loan to the homeowner, I might feel better about it. But if my home were leveled here in Texas there would be no tax payer funded help. I’m not saying don’t help them, but with a request for 60 billion and unions being involved, the tax payer is going to get screwed.
And I’m tired of it! It seems we are running this country from crisis to crisis. And each time America loses.

This is about the murders in the Sandy Hook gun free zone not the storm named Sandy. (For the storm, I think anyone who can afford a beach house can afford insurance for their house. They don't need a bailout I mean handout from blue collar taxpayers who make less money than those rich folk do.)

[mojo84]

What does this have to do with the shooting in Conn.? I think you are talking about hurricane Sandy and we are talking about the shooting in Sandy Hook Elementary. Unless I am missing something.

I believe that he's making the point that the Left only shows concern for victims when it fits their agenda.

Sandy Hook victims: Fits especially well.

Child victims of wars under Bush's watch: Fits

Child victims of wars under Obama's or Clinton's watch: Doesn't fit.

Victims of natural disasters in blue states: Fits

Victims of natural disasters in red states: Doesn't fit.

Etc.

I don't see it. One is a natural disaster and the other is a manmade tragedy that was inflicted upon innocent people.

I don't care how they voted or what their political bent is, being gunned down like that is a very sad thing and doesn't call for resentment. FYI, the kids didn't have a vote one way or the other.