The rush on firearms is Crazy!

[Beiruty]

I could not believe my eyes. I stopped last night at Cabela's in Allen the shelves are bare bone dry on anything that looks like black evil rifle or shotgun, even semi-auto pistols are almost all gone and restocked. Ammo are 30% up and eveyone near any stocked shelves are grabbing ammo boxes and staching away in his cart.
All Computer desktops for background check or filling up the Fed form has some doing a purchase paperwork.

It was simply a crazy place. Prez and his VP are best guns-marketer and promoter of the next 4 yrs.

So many $ invested in last 40-60 days that any gun-banning and gun-grabbing law would have "populous" counter pressure by the constituents.

[jdhz28]

The same thing happened after both of his elections as well. He may very well go down in history as the worst president ever but he will always hold the mantle of best firearms salesmen 8 years running.

[Rangel]

I will not help fuel the fire.

[v-rog]

I will not help fuel the fire.

Amen.

[Daisy Cutter]

Well things have settled down a little here in H-town. There was a pretty good mob at the Pasadena show yesterday (Sat) but there were plenty of semi pistols, at old prices, covering the tables. And the private sellers were getting around 1400 for a Bushmaster (dealers were asking 2700+). The feeling is that the panic buyers bought last week, and a cagier crowd now is betting that prices will drop at some point. Some ammo still a little scarce. Guys trying to get a buck a round for 223. Also a lot of private folks are now showing up to sell whatever was in the back of the hall closet, in hopes of unloading in an up market. That tends to make buyers a little cockier.

Just one citizen's view.

[The Annoyed Man]

This is why I have great confidence that this attempt by the commies to grab all the guns will fail. It will fail for one of two reasons:

1. Politicians will take a look at purchasing patterns for the past month, realize that they better seriously look at purchasing patterns for the past 2 years, and they will realize that ALL of these guns were bought with the belief that they would not be surrendered, and that they might be used for violent blowback, and that their own lives might be in jeopardy if they actually pass this thing.........and they will stand down.
2. Politicians will take a look at all this, decide that they can still get the police and military to enforce their evil scheme, proceded with trying to implement a ban, and The People will show that they have had enough.

Liberal commies are the first to forget history because it isn't convenient to their ideology. They do so at their own risk, because the one thing they forget about the first American Revolutionary War is that not all of the colonists supported it. The ones that were loyal to the crown lost, and a great many of them were badly treated when the war was over. Some had the bad treatment coming because they were actively engaged in opposition. Many of them fled to Canada when the war ended. Other's were dealt with less severely, primarily by social shunning because they might have been loyal subjects of the crown, but they were traitors to their own independence. That latter group were the ones Samuel Adams addressed when he said:

“Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say 'what should be the reward of such sacrifices?' Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship and plough, and sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”

I am willing to bet that 3-5 years before the war started, the average colonist, loyalist or not, would not have predicted that things would take the turn they did. Those colonists who ended up leading the revolution spent a great deal of effort and treasury to beseech the king to reconsider his folly. They were not bloodthirsty pirates. They were men of sober thinking who had finally had enough.

I do not want to see political violence tear my country apart. But like any man who loves liberty more than life, there is a limit to how far my government can push me. There is a point where the government becomes destructive of the ends of affirming life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and it becomes the duty of men to abolish it and replace it with one that supports those ends. Liberal commies are either deliberately obtuse about this, or they are simply ignorant. They are, after all, the product of their own marxist infused educational system. But either way, they are so blind with lust for power that they fail to take into account human nature. If things come to that kind of impasse again and violence is the result, we're going to have to figure out how to live amongst one another again when it is over, and it will not go well for those Americans who were loyal to the "crown." And by the way, is it more than coincidence that Obama's presidency and the worshipful adulation poured on him by his socialist lemmings is more like a kingship than any other before it?

Three hundred million guns in one hundred million households is nothing to scoff at. According to the U.S. Census, from 2007-2011 there were 114,761,359 households in the U.S. (source). In other words, households with guns VAAAAASTLY outnumber households without guns. If even half of those armed households voluntarily gave up their guns, that would still leave about 40% of all U.S. households with over 100 million guns. One would have to be suicidal to think that he could just take them away with a stroke of a pen. The pen may be mightier than the sword, but doesn't apply any longer when the public no longer has confidence in the pen.

With those kinds of numbers, enforcing a gun registration/confiscation scheme on an unwilling populace is simply impossible without it devolving into policial violence. It WAS possible in countries with overtly dictatorial governments, but it is not possible in our government. This is in part because the government promotes itself as a democracy, and democracies don't turn on their own citizenries. Well.....they certainly can and do (the proposed AWB is a perfect example of that), but it isn't consistent with the image they try to maintain. Joe Stalin simply didn't care how people perceived him. In fact, the more afraid of him they were, the better he liked it. But while Obama might personally have Stalin's ambitions, he is constrained by a lot of different factors from behaving like Stalin.

In the meantime, Americans have been snapping up semi-automatic magazine fed firearms in record numbers. Not revolvers. Not bolt action hunting rifles. Not over and under skeet guns. They have been buying specifically the guns which the government proposes to ban. You have to ask yourself why. I mean, if the government were proposing to ban bicycles, I don't think you would see people running out to assert their right to own one. They could buy a Segway or a motorized skateboard instead. But bicycle ownership is not specifically guaranteed in the Constitution. Gun ownership IS specifically guaranteed in the Constitution. So this mass buying spree can only mean one thing, that citizens are asserting their Constitutional right while they still can. It is crazy to think that they're doing it just so that they can turn all these very expensive purchases in for destruction a few weeks later. That makes no kind of sense now, does it?

So what do democrats think that gun buyers are proposing to do with these guns, if they're not going to turn them in? Increasingly, we hear prominent liberals saying that they think we should abolish the entire Constitution. We hear other liberal politicians (New Hampshire) saying that they are going to deliberately crack down on the rights of conservatives.......and so for the first time in the country you have an elected official advocating a soviet style system where party members have more rights than non party members. We hear and see the fever swamp of the twitterverse the calls for assassinating the republican candidate, for the mass murder or imprisonment of all NRA members. Is the administration doing the responsible thing and addressing these threats to the public peace by suggesting that people remember we're a nation of laws, and that they need to calm down? No. Instead, the administration is trying to ramrod a gun snatch on the quick. What concerns me is that millions of people who spent many multiples of millions of dollars on guns and ammo in the past month did so because they think they might need to use them, exercising their option of the bullet box, since the soap box and the ballot box have failed in the preservation of the Constitution.

Democrat commie politicians SHOULD be terrified of the scenario THEY are creating, because it could get REALLY ugly. THEY are the ones who pushed things this far. The acceleration in the rate of purchase of firearms is directly in response to THEIR provocations. If they had just let sleeping dogs lie, America's gun owners would not have stepped up the rate at which they bought guns. THEY are responsible for this crisis........AND THEY DON'T CARE, because they think they will be able to bend the police and the military to their will. But like I said earlier, they are blinded by their lust for power—the exact same ambitious lust exhibited by all previous communist dictators. It is no accident that ALL dictatorial regimes originate from some version of the socialist/communist political spectrum, INCLUDING naziism, which was a socialist movement too.

If things get violent, it will be the democrats' fault, not the fault of people who are exercising their God-given and constitutionally enumerated rights. I would like to see Diane Feinstein die in prison.

[jmra]

Well things have settled down a little here in H-town. There was a pretty good mob at the Pasadena show yesterday (Sat) but there were plenty of semi pistols, at old prices, covering the tables. And the private sellers were getting around 1400 for a Bushmaster (dealers were asking 2700+). The feeling is that the panic buyers bought last week, and a cagier crowd now is betting that prices will drop at some point. Some ammo still a little scarce. Guys trying to get a buck a round for 223. Also a lot of private folks are now showing up to sell whatever was in the back of the hall closet, in hopes of unloading in an up market. That tends to make buyers a little cockier.

Just one citizen's view.

Pretty much the same at the Dallas Market Hall show. One thing people have figured out - you can buy a complete lower at the super inflated price of $600 then buy a complete upper for $550. Both were readily available at the show. This gives you a complete AR for $1150.
The lines for the main vendor selling uppers was pretty long but he had sufficient inventory for the show. Plenty of lowers also available when I left the show late afternoon.

[77346]

Well things have settled down a little here in H-town.

I hope this is the case... I went to the range Friday morning and on my way back stopped at Academy in Humble to buy more 9mm and .22 LR (to restock what I had used). They had 0 of both and no idea when they may get resupplied They had rearranged the shelves so that they look full, but had a lot of birdshot and hunting loads.

I understand 9mm been scarce, as it's a very popular round, but .22 LR? I'll have to make a trip to Gander Mountain in Spring... they usually have the "bucket of bullets" (1,400 .22 LR) for around $70.

[chasfm11]

The early releases of the Feinstein bill contain a couple of provisions that are more palatable to both sides of the isle than grabbing guns.

1. A National firearms registry.

2. Closing the gun show loophole by requiring all gun purchases be registered.

I suspect those are the two over which the Dems will not bend. Our weak kneed GOP members are less likely to oppose those and claim victory over the lack of a specific gun grabbing element.

I do hope I'm wrong.

[magillapd]

This is why I have great confidence that this attempt by the commies to grab all the guns will fail. It will fail for one of two reasons:

1. Politicians will take a look at purchasing patterns for the past month, realize that they better seriously look at purchasing patterns for the past 2 years, and they will realize that ALL of these guns were bought with the belief that they would not be surrendered, and that they might be used for violent blowback, and that their own lives might be in jeopardy if they actually pass this thing.........and they will stand down.
2. Politicians will take a look at all this, decide that they can still get the police and military to enforce their evil scheme, proceded with trying to implement a ban, and The People will show that they have had enough.

Liberal commies are the first to forget history because it isn't convenient to their ideology. They do so at their own risk, because the one thing they forget about the first American Revolutionary War is that not all of the colonists supported it. The ones that were loyal to the crown lost, and a great many of them were badly treated when the war was over. Some had the bad treatment coming because they were actively engaged in opposition. Many of them fled to Canada when the war ended. Other's were dealt with less severely, primarily by social shunning because they might have been loyal subjects of the crown, but they were traitors to their own independence. That latter group were the ones Samuel Adams addressed when he said:

“Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say 'what should be the reward of such sacrifices?' Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship and plough, and sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”

I am willing to bet that 3-5 years before the war started, the average colonist, loyalist or not, would not have predicted that things would take the turn they did. Those colonists who ended up leading the revolution spent a great deal of effort and treasury to beseech the king to reconsider his folly. They were not bloodthirsty pirates. They were men of sober thinking who had finally had enough.

I do not want to see political violence tear my country apart. But like any man who loves liberty more than life, there is a limit to how far my government can push me. There is a point where the government becomes destructive of the ends of affirming life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and it becomes the duty of men to abolish it and replace it with one that supports those ends. Liberal commies are either deliberately obtuse about this, or they are simply ignorant. They are, after all, the product of their own marxist infused educational system. But either way, they are so blind with lust for power that they fail to take into account human nature. If things come to that kind of impasse again and violence is the result, we're going to have to figure out how to live amongst one another again when it is over, and it will not go well for those Americans who were loyal to the "crown." And by the way, is it more than coincidence that Obama's presidency and the worshipful adulation poured on him by his socialist lemmings is more like a kingship than any other before it?

Three hundred million guns in one hundred million households is nothing to scoff at. According to the U.S. Census, from 2007-2011 there were 114,761,359 households in the U.S. (source). In other words, households with guns VAAAAASTLY outnumber households without guns. If even half of those armed households voluntarily gave up their guns, that would still leave about 40% of all U.S. households with over 100 million guns. One would have to be suicidal to think that he could just take them away with a stroke of a pen. The pen may be mightier than the sword, but doesn't apply any longer when the public no longer has confidence in the pen.

With those kinds of numbers, enforcing a gun registration/confiscation scheme on an unwilling populace is simply impossible without it devolving into policial violence. It WAS possible in countries with overtly dictatorial governments, but it is not possible in our government. This is in part because the government promotes itself as a democracy, and democracies don't turn on their own citizenries. Well.....they certainly can and do (the proposed AWB is a perfect example of that), but it isn't consistent with the image they try to maintain. Joe Stalin simply didn't care how people perceived him. In fact, the more afraid of him they were, the better he liked it. But while Obama might personally have Stalin's ambitions, he is constrained by a lot of different factors from behaving like Stalin.

In the meantime, Americans have been snapping up semi-automatic magazine fed firearms in record numbers. Not revolvers. Not bolt action hunting rifles. Not over and under skeet guns. They have been buying specifically the guns which the government proposes to ban. You have to ask yourself why. I mean, if the government were proposing to ban bicycles, I don't think you would see people running out to assert their right to own one. They could buy a Segway or a motorized skateboard instead. But bicycle ownership is not specifically guaranteed in the Constitution. Gun ownership IS specifically guaranteed in the Constitution. So this mass buying spree can only mean one thing, that citizens are asserting their Constitutional right while they still can. It is crazy to think that they're doing it just so that they can turn all these very expensive purchases in for destruction a few weeks later. That makes no kind of sense now, does it?

So what do democrats think that gun buyers are proposing to do with these guns, if they're not going to turn them in? Increasingly, we hear prominent liberals saying that they think we should abolish the entire Constitution. We hear other liberal politicians (New Hampshire) saying that they are going to deliberately crack down on the rights of conservatives.......and so for the first time in the country you have an elected official advocating a soviet style system where party members have more rights than non party members. We hear and see the fever swamp of the twitterverse the calls for assassinating the republican candidate, for the mass murder or imprisonment of all NRA members. Is the administration doing the responsible thing and addressing these threats to the public peace by suggesting that people remember we're a nation of laws, and that they need to calm down? No. Instead, the administration is trying to ramrod a gun snatch on the quick. What concerns me is that millions of people who spent many multiples of millions of dollars on guns and ammo in the past month did so because they think they might need to use them, exercising their option of the bullet box, since the soap box and the ballot box have failed in the preservation of the Constitution.

Democrat commie politicians SHOULD be terrified of the scenario THEY are creating, because it could get REALLY ugly. THEY are the ones who pushed things this far. The acceleration in the rate of purchase of firearms is directly in response to THEIR provocations. If they had just let sleeping dogs lie, America's gun owners would not have stepped up the rate at which they bought guns. THEY are responsible for this crisis........AND THEY DON'T CARE, because they think they will be able to bend the police and the military to their will. But like I said earlier, they are blinded by their lust for power—the exact same ambitious lust exhibited by all previous communist dictators. It is no accident that ALL dictatorial regimes originate from some version of the socialist/communist political spectrum, INCLUDING naziism, which was a socialist movement too.

If things get violent, it will be the democrats' fault, not the fault of people who are exercising their God-given and constitutionally enumerated rights. I would like to see Diane Feinstein die in prison.

Well said

[Heartland Patriot]

The early releases of the Feinstein bill contain a couple of provisions that are more palatable to both sides of the isle than grabbing guns.

1. A National firearms registry.

2. Closing the gun show loophole by requiring all gun purchases be registered.

I suspect those are the two over which the Dems will not bend. Our weak kneed GOP members are less likely to oppose those and claim victory over the lack of a specific gun grabbing element.

I do hope I'm wrong.

(Preface: this isn't directed to you chasfm11, but rhetorical in nature)

Please explain to me what I, Heartland Patriot, have done to some other person to warrant being treated like a criminal. What have I, as an individual, done to warrant the government using COERCIVE FORCE to make me register my firearms? What have I done that should prevent me from selling my legally acquired property to any other non-criminal individual without having to fill out paperwork and jump through hoops to do so? The actions of a madman are not my actions. What HE did was vile and heinous...I have done NOTHING of the sort and I will not be WILLINGLY penalized for HIS filthy actions.

[DEB]

The early releases of the Feinstein bill contain a couple of provisions that are more palatable to both sides of the isle than grabbing guns.

1. A National firearms registry.

2. Closing the gun show loophole by requiring all gun purchases be registered.

I suspect those are the two over which the Dems will not bend. Our weak kneed GOP members are less likely to oppose those and claim victory over the lack of a specific gun grabbing element.

I do hope I'm wrong.

I agree with you chasfm11. I hope the vast majority just refuse to register. I know, after reading the amermarxist's agenda, that they know this might occur and they will just capture these as time goes by. We have to inoculate our children and our grandchildren with freedom's message. This will not be an easy and short fight. I believe that they will continue to nibble away at our freedom and we will be like frogs slowly coming to a boil in water. I wish it would be fast acting, stormtroopers marching down the street, busting in doors and etc. This we could fight, the enemy will have a face. But, the Marxists have learned and it will continue to be a slow death of what is the US. Burying guns will not solve anything, a buried gun is not in circulation. The majority of our fellow citizens are more than willing to accept Marxism, very few remember the old Soviet Union and surely are not taught about it. Criminals don't care if all guns are removed. Those on the public dole are willing to accept their Master's bidding and have long ago accepted their slavery. We now have University Professors stating that the constitution needs to be removed? These are those, teaching those, who teach our children? Judges, Media, Senior L.E. Officers and Military Officers all clamoring for citizen disarmament. They realize that this only increases their power and prestige, while only the grunt, who has to carry out their wishes, suffers. Our fore elders are surely shaking their heads in amazement.

[The Annoyed Man]

The early releases of the Feinstein bill contain a couple of provisions that are more palatable to both sides of the isle than grabbing guns.

1. A National firearms registry.

2. Closing the gun show loophole by requiring all gun purchases be registered.

I suspect those are the two over which the Dems will not bend. Our weak kneed GOP members are less likely to oppose those and claim victory over the lack of a specific gun grabbing element.

I do hope I'm wrong.

(Preface: this isn't directed to you chasfm11, but rhetorical in nature)

Please explain to me what I, Heartland Patriot, have done to some other person to warrant being treated like a criminal. What have I, as an individual, done to warrant the government using COERCIVE FORCE to make me register my firearms? What have I done that should prevent me from selling my legally acquired property to any other non-criminal individual without having to fill out paperwork and jump through hoops to do so? The actions of a madman are not my actions. What HE did was vile and heinous...I have done NOTHING of the sort and I will not be WILLINGLY penalized for HIS filthy actions.

I'll bury them in a sealed container on a ranch in central Texas before I'll ever register them. I'm not going to do it. Pure and simple. Any republican who signs on to a registration scheme is as much my literal enemy as Diane Feinstein, and ought to be treated the same by being politically shunned by their home districts. You can't make mischief if the voters recall you or don't reelect you. But it isn't enough to be politically shunned. They need to be socially shunned when they return to their own districts. When you try to shake a voter's hand and he turns his back on you and refuses to acknowledge you, that sends a powerful message. When enough people do it, you realize that your political career is over, and you know exactly WHY.

Here is what republicans in the house have to understand: THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED TO PASS THIS BILL. They are not even required to bring it to the floor for debate. THAT is the power inherent in the Speaker. He can kill this thing stillborn. They don't even have to risk the possibility of agreeing to a poison pill because they think it would be less toxic than drinking a glass of poison coolaid. He can just let the bill die in the House. All it takes is a little courage on his part. By pulling a Harry Reid and refusing to let the bill be considered, Boehner has the power to force Obama to try and do this by presidential directive, which will of course be immediately derailed by an NRA lawsuit.

What I am looking forward to is what the results of this will be in 2016, because HC is also in favor of an AWB. Voters are likely to remember this crisis and there is the possibility that they'll reward democrats by sending them packing. At the very least, they will probably suffer some of the same backlash that Bill Clinton suffered. One can dream.

But dreams aside, I don't care about no stinking registration. I'm not doing it. Period. And I'll break the law as an act of civil disobedience, which is my right, if I have to. Fortunately, between now and then they are likely to be sold to some guy named Joe from Paduka.

[sjfcontrol]

The early releases of the Feinstein bill contain a couple of provisions that are more palatable to both sides of the isle than grabbing guns.

1. A National firearms registry.

2. Closing the gun show loophole by requiring all gun purchases be registered.

I suspect those are the two over which the Dems will not bend. Our weak kneed GOP members are less likely to oppose those and claim victory over the lack of a specific gun grabbing element.

I do hope I'm wrong.

(Another rhetorical question.)

Ask Canada how well their long-gun registry worked out. It cost them BILLIONS only to ultimately be scrapped as a total failure. And that was only long-guns, in a population only 10% of the U.S.

[jmra]

The early releases of the Feinstein bill contain a couple of provisions that are more palatable to both sides of the isle than grabbing guns.

1. A National firearms registry.

2. Closing the gun show loophole by requiring all gun purchases be registered.

I suspect those are the two over which the Dems will not bend. Our weak kneed GOP members are less likely to oppose those and claim victory over the lack of a specific gun grabbing element.

I do hope I'm wrong.

(Preface: this isn't directed to you chasfm11, but rhetorical in nature)

Please explain to me what I, Heartland Patriot, have done to some other person to warrant being treated like a criminal. What have I, as an individual, done to warrant the government using COERCIVE FORCE to make me register my firearms? What have I done that should prevent me from selling my legally acquired property to any other non-criminal individual without having to fill out paperwork and jump through hoops to do so? The actions of a madman are not my actions. What HE did was vile and heinous...I have done NOTHING of the sort and I will not be WILLINGLY penalized for HIS filthy actions.

I'll bury them in a sealed container on a ranch in central Texas before I'll ever register them. I'm not going to do it. Pure and simple. Any republican who signs on to a registration scheme is as much my literal enemy as Diane Feinstein, and ought to be treated the same by being politically shunned by their home districts. You can't make mischief if the voters recall you or don't reelect you. But it isn't enough to be politically shunned. They need to be socially shunned when they return to their own districts. When you try to shake a voter's hand and he turns his back on you and refuses to acknowledge you, that sends a powerful message. When enough people do it, you realize that your political career is over, and you know exactly WHY.

Here is what republicans in the house have to understand: THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED TO PASS THIS BILL. They are not even required to bring it to the floor for debate. THAT is the power inherent in the Speaker. He can kill this thing stillborn. They don't even have to risk the possibility of agreeing to a poison pill because they think it would be less toxic than drinking a glass of poison coolaid. He can just let the bill die in the House. All it takes is a little courage on his part. By pulling a Harry Reid and refusing to let the bill be considered, Boehner has the power to force Obama to try and do this by presidential directive, which will of course be immediately derailed by an NRA lawsuit.

What I am looking forward to is what the results of this will be in 2016, because HC is also in favor of an AWB. Voters are likely to remember this crisis and there is the possibility that they'll reward democrats by sending them packing. At the very least, they will probably suffer some of the same backlash that Bill Clinton suffered. One can dream.

But dreams aside, I don't care about no stinking registration. I'm not doing it. Period. And I'll break the law as an act of civil disobedience, which is my right, if I have to. Fortunately, between now and then they are likely to be sold to some guy named Joe from Paduka.

I think joe may have a little cash flow problem, he bought all my guns yesterday.