This is the sort of thing THEY really want to do...

[K.Mooneyham]

Normally, I wouldn't waste my time reading any of the trash put out on the liberal-progressive/socialist website DailyKos. But this article, which I went to though a couple of links, gives you a look into the minds of those who really do want to take ALL of your firearms away from you. Its not a joke, though thankfully they don't have the amount of power they want right now. But they ARE the types who are ingratiated to the current administration, the types who helped the re-election campaign of the current POTUS and the types who are doing everything within their not-inconsiderable span of control to fundamentally transform (where have we heard that before) this nation into a true leftwing elitist oligarchy. Worth a read to see into their mindset...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/2 ... rm-process

[GeekwithaGun]

Interesting the poll at the bottom of the article

"A total gun ban in the next 10 years?"
YES! 2% 109 votes
No. 90% 3435 votes
Pie is delicious. Even raspberry. I was once told that raspberry was Communist pie. 6% 246 votes

[The Annoyed Man]

Interesting the poll at the bottom of the article

"A total gun ban in the next 10 years?"
YES! 2% 109 votes
No. 90% 3435 votes
Pie is delicious. Even raspberry. I was once told that raspberry was Communist pie. 6% 246 votes

I saw that. Pie is three times more popular than gun-banning.......neither of which can shake a stick at "NO!" Also note that the affirmative answer offered was in all caps with an exclamation point. The negative was a simple "No." No bias there, my precious.

[O6nop]

This is an interesting article. I think whoever wrote it is pretty smart (and dangerous). It first starts out verifying arguments against an assault weapons ban because very few crimes are committed with those weapons. It goes on to explain why registration would be the first step in the ultimate goal of confiscation. For those that can't think of a good reason to not allow registration should read this and find out what we as gun owners are trying to prevent. It reminds me of that scene in "The Patriot" , where Mel Gibson's character, Benjamin Martin, reads the journal of Cornwallis and learns his tactics and uses it against him.
Reading this article will explain matter-of-factly, the agenda of the left. It also goes on to target hunters as well, so for those seeking only to protect their 'hunting rights' that are presumed safe from gun grabbers, you're next.

It also states that a sudden gun ban would be impossible, it can't be done because too many oppose that sort of thing. It has to be a slow process.

What it doesn't explain, however, is how to get the guns from the criminals who won't register their guns. Both types of criminals.... bad guys with illegal guns, and patriots who don't bow to the registration process and thus become criminals. So the criminal element will have guns and no one can legally protect themselves.

This article goes on to describe the 'back door' methods of confiscation like microstamping and banning online purchases of guns and ammo. (online gun purchases are not really an issue as you must already go through an FFL to accomplish this).

This quote...
"I know this seems harsh, but this is the only way we can be truly safe. I don't want my kids being shot at by a deranged NRA member. I'm sure you don't either. So lets stop looking for short term solutions and start looking long term. Registration is the first step."

is insane because it appears he doesn't mind his kids being shot by a deranged criminal.

Like I say, he seems smart, at first, but ends up making some dumb (and even more dangerous) conclusions.

That's how I see it.

[RoyGBiv]

The only way we can truly be safe ........ is to ban civilian ownership of all guns.

Idiot.

[VMI77]

What it doesn't explain, however, is how to get the guns from the criminals who won't register their guns. Both types of criminals.... bad guys with illegal guns

It doesn't explain it because they have no desire or intention to take guns away from criminals. They WANT criminals to have guns because that helps ensure the dependency of the general populace on the State. To control the population they first have to make them defenseless and dependent.

[VMI77]

Normally, I wouldn't waste my time reading any of the trash put out on the liberal-progressive/socialist website DailyKos. But this article, which I went to though a couple of links, gives you a look into the minds of those who really do want to take ALL of your firearms away from you. Its not a joke, though thankfully they don't have the amount of power they want right now. But they ARE the types who are ingratiated to the current administration, the types who helped the re-election campaign of the current POTUS and the types who are doing everything within their not-inconsiderable span of control to fundamentally transform (where have we heard that before) this nation into a true leftwing elitist oligarchy. Worth a read to see into their mindset...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/2 ... rm-process

In Australia the left is now starting to agitate for the banning of single shot rifles and shotguns. Their new mantra is "it only takes one bullet to kill someone." Anyone who doesn't see that complete confiscation is the ultimate goal is blind.

[O6nop]

What it doesn't explain, however, is how to get the guns from the criminals who won't register their guns. Both types of criminals.... bad guys with illegal guns

It doesn't explain it because they have no desire or intention to take guns away from criminals. They WANT criminals to have guns because that helps ensure the dependency of the general populace on the State. To control the population they first have to make them defenseless and dependent.

I can't agree that this is true, that they 'want' criminals to have guns, rather that they want people who have guns to be considered criminals. But to my point, these are the types of arguments we need to use to combat their agenda.

[VMI77]

What it doesn't explain, however, is how to get the guns from the criminals who won't register their guns. Both types of criminals.... bad guys with illegal guns

It doesn't explain it because they have no desire or intention to take guns away from criminals. They WANT criminals to have guns because that helps ensure the dependency of the general populace on the State. To control the population they first have to make them defenseless and dependent.

I can't agree that this is true, that they 'want' criminals to have guns, rather that they want people who have guns to be considered criminals. But to my point, these are the types of arguments we need to use to combat their agenda.

Depends on who you mean by "they." The rank and file, no, but they're just useful idiots. Their rulers --yes.

[chasfm11]

What it doesn't explain, however, is how to get the guns from the criminals who won't register their guns. Both types of criminals.... bad guys with illegal guns

It doesn't explain it because they have no desire or intention to take guns away from criminals. They WANT criminals to have guns because that helps ensure the dependency of the general populace on the State. To control the population they first have to make them defenseless and dependent.

I can't agree that this is true, that they 'want' criminals to have guns, rather that they want people who have guns to be considered criminals. But to my point, these are the types of arguments we need to use to combat their agenda.

OK. Let's try a different path.

D.C. is probably the best microcosm for gun control. They have draconian laws and have put procedures in place that make it nearly impossible to own a gun. Just today, there is a thread with a story of someone who saved a child from a vicious dog attack - only to run afoul of one of those laws. It brings to mind the old saying about no good deed going unpunished.

Around the time that a Tennessee preacher was arrested in D.C. for bringing his pistol into the city and making the mistake of telling someone about it, one of the police officers was quoted as acknowledging how easy it was for criminals go buy guns on the street.

Now you have to ask yourself, with all of the laws keeping people safe:
1. How can that happen that criminals have gun?
2. What specifically have they done to address the criminal/gun problem, since no one else has them?

The answer is.......not a thing. What conclusion can anyone draw except that they want the criminals to have the guns? If they were truly fervent about controlling all guns, they would have ongoing actions to try to curb the criminals, too.

Chicago is another great proof of concept. There are more people killed (mostly young black men) there than in Afghanistan in a war. And what does hizzoner Rahm do? He goes after the banks for supporting the firearm manufacturers. Drugs are rampant, illegal guns are coming in with the drugs and there is not a single public action to address any of it.

This is simple stuff. You go to great lengths to address law abiding citizens having guns. You do nothing to address criminals having guns. Ergo, you want criminals to have guns.

[Kythas]

Reading this article made me shake my head in disbelief that anyone could think like that.

I had to stop reading the comments because it started to make my blood pressure go up.

[Beiruty]

I will tell one fact that I lived. In Lebanon, by law, all firearms by should be registered even hunting rifles, you need to have a hunting license and firearm permit.

HOWEVER, there is no single house that did not have a military personal weapon from pistol to full-auto to light-machine guns. Even RPGs are distributed by Militias like Shiite Hizbullah to their members.

Why this happens? Because, traditionally, it was an honor to be armed. Welding "just power" was a rescue for the victims and act of honor for our "old fashioned batman". Tradition prevailed over modern law. So, does US constitution, will always prevail.

When the ban happens we are all criminals, or our manly toys are grandfathers. The Anti 2nA gun-grabbers will always fail.

[karder]

Guns didn't exist once; it was called the Dark Ages, and the physically-strongest ruled over everyone else.

Great idea - twit.

No, I used to think like this, but after watching the news and listening to Dr. Biden, I have come to realize that there was virtually no crime during the 10,000 some odd years of recorded civilization before guns were invented. Apparently the timeline goes: Garden of Eden--Chinese develop gunpowder while creating fireworks to celebrate the peace--some guy takes gunpowder and uses it to shoot a lead ball out of a pipe--murder and crime are invented and the good people of the world suffer terribly. I was shocked to learn this too, but now Feinstein/Obama/Biden's arguments make sense.

[K.Mooneyham]

I will tell one fact that I lived. In Lebanon, by law, all firearms by should be registered even hunting rifles, you need to have a hunting license and firearm permit.

HOWEVER, there is no single house that did not have a military personal weapon from pistol to full-auto to light-machine guns. Even RPGs are distributed by Militias like Shiite Hizbullah to their members.

Why this happens? Because, traditionally, it was an honor to be armed. Welding "just power" was a rescue for the victims and act of honor for our "old fashioned batman". Tradition prevailed over modern law. So, does US constitution, will always prevail.

When the ban happens we are all criminals, or our manly toys are grandfathers. The Anti 2nA gun-grabbers will always fail.

I'll give you one thing for certain, Beiruty, you have a stout heart!