can I carry at this event?

Big_Hitter · Post by **Big_Hitter** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 12:22 pm

glocklvr · Post by **glocklvr** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 1:25 pm

I don't think I would because Tx penal code does specify race tracks as off limits but I do wish I didn't have class this weekend I would go run my bike.

deadeyearcher · Post by **deadeyearcher** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 1:33 pm

the race track thing only applies to horse and dog track (where there is betting) but it may be considered a professional sporting event.

Big_Hitter · Post by **Big_Hitter** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 1:51 pm

deadeyearcher wrote: it may be considered a professional sporting event.

that's what I'm concerned about as well

guess I'll have to travel down there naked

stevie_d_64 · Post by **stevie_d_64** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:22 pm

Not to be a stick in the mud...

But the event is sponsored by a private company that sells "trailers"...Meaning they probably could post the dreaded 30.06, but probably won't bother, unless somebody gives them a reason to...

The event appears to be taking place at a non-active airfield (runway) for this particular event...

This is one of those events that doesn't seem to fit in the catagories defined by the penal code...Its not a professional event, even though participants are probably paying to "play"...Nothing officially professional seems to permiate from the organizers or participants...

This looks to be an amature (motorcar/bike) event...

To me, and take this for what its worth, looks like a "Don't ask, Don't tell" opportunity...

If you ask, I bet you a dollar to a donut hole the question will give you an answer you won't like...

As long as you stay away from the alcohol (if alcohol is served for on-site consumption) I believe you'd be ok to carry under the provisions and guidelines in the law...Minus the irony of serving alcohol at a driving event...

Unless someone sees something I didn't, I will certainly stand to be corrected if I am wrong...But this doesn't look like an event that could be restricted for us...

propellerhead · Post by **propellerhead** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 5:40 pm

Surely not a "racetrack". What makes it a professional sporting event? Winners and loser get paid just to compete? If the winners get prize money but not the losers, that's still an amateur event. Is it not?

Right2Carry · Post by **Right2Carry** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:24 pm

I think the whole racetrack thing is a little fuzzy. I think anytime someone is getting paid it is considered a professional sporting event. We have NASCAR events, NHRA events, IRHA events, those are all at racetracks. Even though it is not a big event some of those tracks run all year and have payouts all year.

I guess what could be asked is what is the definition of Professional?

srothstein · Post by **srothstein** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:56 pm

I don't see this as a professional event, especially since they have no sanctioning body, no mention of prizes, and an open invitation to anyone to come out and just see what your car or bike can do.

And then there is the whole debate on what is a sport and does racing even count.

But for the rest of you who are curious, the racetrack ban is not fuzzy at all. You just need to look at the definitions section, which refers you to another definition in a different code. That code says:

"Racetrack" means a facility that is licensed under
this Act for the conduct of pari-mutuel wagering on greyhound
racing or horse racing.

So if they are not betting on horse or dog racing, it ain't a racetrack we need to worry about.

txinvestigator · Post by **txinvestigator** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:45 pm

srothstein wrote: And then there is the whole debate on what is a sport and does racing even count.

NASCAR surely is, it even stands for ;

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piro · Post by **piro** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 1:25 am

What about champ car racing? Was thinking of heading down the houston prix in late april, and I had pretty much already decided not to carry under the sporting event rule but saw this thread and my interested peaked to double check.

It's at the reliant complex which I imagine might just stick up a 30.06 show like they do for the gun shows down there.

Big_Hitter · Post by **Big_Hitter** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 7:12 am

^^ champ is definitely a pro sporting event

you could prolly leave your weapon locked up in your car but that's about it

regarding the texas mile, I'm not sure if pros are running does that make it a pro event? probably not, since there are no cash prizes (that I'm aware of)

I just want to protect myself in case I break down on the way to Goliad or I need a tow back to Houston (in case I blow up my car or something during the race)

I'm also spending the night in a camper there (on the tarmac) and would like to feel safe

There will be alcohol there (after the race only) so I could lock my weapon up in my vehicle if I choose to have a beer or three...

Thanks for the replies

Rex B · Post by **Rex B** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:39 am

I asked about this a while back concerning SCCA and NASA racing and determined that because they were amateur events, carry was OK.
This event is NASA sanctioned

BTW, SPEED TV will be filming at this event and interviewing particpants for a TV show. Wish I could go.

txinvestigator · Post by **txinvestigator** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:12 am

srothstein wrote:Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:56 pm
"Racetrack" means a facility that is licensed under
this Act for the conduct of pari-mutuel wagering on greyhound
racing or horse racing.

So if they are not betting on horse or dog racing, it ain't a racetrack we need to worry about.

kw5kw · Post by **kw5kw** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:21 am

Big_Hitter wrote:^^ champ is definitely a pro sporting event

you could prolly leave your weapon locked up in your car but that's about it

regarding the texas mile, I'm not sure if pros are running does that make it a pro event? probably not, since there are no cash prizes (that I'm aware of)

I just want to protect myself in case I break down on the way to Goliad or I need a tow back to Houston (in case I blow up my car or something during the race)

I'm also spending the night in a camper there (on the tarmac) and would like to feel safe

There will be alcohol there (after the race only) so I could lock my weapon up in my vehicle if I choose to have a beer or three...

Thanks for the replies

Well, your RV is covered at least with 46.15 (h):
For the purpose of Subsection (b)(2), "premises" includes a recreational vehicle that is being used by the person carrying the handgun, illegal knife, or club as living quarters, regardless of whether that use is temporary or permanent. In this subsection, "recreational vehicle" means a motor vehicle primarily designed as temporary living quarters or a vehicle that contains tempo-rary living quarters and is designed to be towed by a motor vehicle. The term includes a travel trailer, camping trailer, truck camper, motor home, and horse trailer with living quarters.

If you get paid for doing whatever you're doing you've become a pro.
If you get paid to fix your neighbor's computer problem, you're now a pro.
If you get paid to drywall your friends house, you're a pro.
If you do it only out of the kindness of your heart and he gives you an adult beverage your an amateur.

I don't get paid to chase storms, I do it on my own dime, therefore I'm an amateur. If I take pictures of those storms and sell them to the Weather Channel then now I'm a paid professional.

So, is this a professional event??? I don't know... but, I don't think so.

another case of DADT.

Russ

Rex B · Post by **Rex B** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:33 am

Russ, I think for the purposes of this conversation, Professional is a little more strictly defined. Occasionally making money at something does not make you a pro, unless you are a college athlete.
Those guys that run dirt track races might make a little money now and then, but it's far from enough to pay their costs, much less make a living at it. And nobody considers them a pro until they are able to do it full-time.
So that's probably the better standard - are the majority of the competitors doing this as their livelihood, or do they have a reasonable expectation of doing so?
NASA won't give you anything but a cheap trophy after you put $5000 worth of wear and tear on a $100,000 Porsche in one weekend

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