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Billboard Up At Twentynine Palms Marine Base

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You must mean "near" the base. I'm sure it would not be allowed "on" the base.
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JALLEN wrote:You must mean "near" the base. I'm sure it would not be allowed "on" the base.

I didn't mean anything. Just copied and pasted the article's title. But you are correct, it is near the base, not in it.
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That is a good location for that particular sign. I would venture to say that every West Coast combat unit (Ground and Air) in the Marine Corps goes through that base (MCAGCC 29 Palms is what it was called when I was stationed there) at one time or another for training.
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I like it.
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The way that Husein treats the Marines - heck, ALL of the military - I kind of wonder what they would do if he gave an order that went against what they were sworn to do: protect the Constitution of the United States.
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JALLEN wrote:You must mean "near" the base. I'm sure it would not be allowed "on" the base.
The title says "at". I'm sure that means just outside the base where everyone sees it.
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I like it...a little reminder now and then never hurts.
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It's probably just me, but had such a sign been erected near my post during my active service, to Remind Me Of My Oath, I would have been just a little resentful.
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Dadtodabone wrote:It's probably just me, but had such a sign been erected near my post during my active service, to Remind Me Of My Oath, I would have been just a little resentful.
“I,(state your name), having been appointed a (rank) in the United States (branch of service), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the office upon which I am about to enter. So help me God.”
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And then there is this:
`SEC. 706. FIREARMS POLICIES.

`(a) Prohibition on Confiscation of Firearms- No officer or employee of the United States (including any member of the uniformed services), or person operating pursuant to or under color of Federal law, or receiving Federal funds, or under control of any Federal official, or providing services to such an officer, employee, or other person, while acting in support of relief from a major disaster or emergency, may--

`(1) temporarily or permanently seize, or authorize seizure of, any firearm the possession of which is not prohibited under Federal, State, or local law, other than for forfeiture in compliance with Federal law or as evidence in a criminal investigation;

`(2) require registration of any firearm for which registration is not required by Federal, State, or local law;

`(3) prohibit possession of any firearm, or promulgate any rule, regulation, or order prohibiting possession of any firearm, in any place or by any person where such possession is not otherwise prohibited by Federal, State, or local law; or

`(4) prohibit the carrying of firearms by any person otherwise authorized to carry firearms under Federal, State, or local law, solely because such person is operating under the direction, control, or supervision of a Federal agency in support of relief from the major disaster or emergency.

`(b) Limitation- Nothing in this section shall be construed to prohibit any person from requiring the temporary surrender of a firearm as a condition for entry into any mode of transportation used for rescue or evacuation during a major disaster or emergency.
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Grillmark55 wrote:The way that Husein treats the Marines - heck, ALL of the military - I kind of wonder what they would do if he gave an order that went against what they were sworn to do: protect the Constitution of the United States.
Actually, a young Navy officer by the name of Lieutenant Commander Ernest Guy Cunningham did conduct a survey back in 1994 among the marines stationed at 29 Palms. Various mouth-breathers in the conspiracy theorist hinterlands have completely misinterpreted both his motivations for doing so, and the results of his survey......but the gist of it was "would you follow orders to disarm/fire upon American citizens on home soil?" .....or words to that effect....and there were 46 questions relevant to that topic in the survey.

His motivations for doing so was that he was writing his thesis for his master of science degree in manpower, personnel, and training analysis, and the focus of his paper was the preservation of the Constitution and the rule of law. The mouth-breathers say it was a "secret pentagon survey" to determine if they would do so. Nonsense.

In any case, the respondents' replies varied to the tune of about 90% from "NO!" to "HECK NO!" Several wrote comments on their answer sheets saying that they would turn their guns on any officer who gave such an order. Others said that they took their oath to defend the ENTIRE Constitution from enemies foreign AND domestic quite seriously. Here is a link to some more reliable information on the survey: http://jpfo.org/articles-assd/29palms-mcmanus.htm. The article says of LC Cunningham:
Anxious to defend himself from charges he is pro-UN, Cunningham repeatedly contended in his interview with THE NEW AMERICAN that he is no enemy of America and no participant in any plan to demoralize U.S. troops. He maintained emphatically that he wanted only to confirm and then pass on to higher authorities his fears about "the lack of knowledge among the soldiers about the U.S. Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, and their heritage as Americans." He added: "I’m a life member of the National Rifle Association, an ardent constitutionalist, and I’m even disappointed with the NRA spokesmen who don’t do a very good job defending their position."
Further down in the article, Cunningham relates:
Firing on U.S. Citizens?
While all of the questions in this survey should have stimulated concern, the survey’s final question has generated an enormous amount of attention:
The U.S. government declares a ban on the possession, sale, transportation, and transfer of all non-sporting firearms. A thirty (30) day amnesty period is permitted for these firearms to be turned over to the local authorities. At the end of this period, a number of citizen groups refuse to turn over their firearms. Consider the following statement: I would fire upon U.S. citizens who refuse or resist confiscation of firearms banned by the U.S. government.
The survey results: 42.3 percent strongly disagreed with this statement; 19.3 percent disagreed; 18.6 percent agreed; 7.6 percent strongly agreed; and 12.0 percent had no opinion. In one of the footnotes appearing in his thesis, Cunningham quotes comments placed by some of the Marines next to their answers to this question: "What about the damn Second Amendment? … I feel this is a first in communism! … Read the book None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen." "I would not even consider it. The reason we have guns is so that the people can overthrow the gov’t when or if the people think the gov’t is too powerful." "Freedom to bear arms is our Second Amendment. If you take our Amendments away then you can take this job and stick it where the sun don’t shine! … It is a right to own firearms for defense (2nd Amendment); I would fight for that right!"

Based on the disagreement expressed by 61 percent of the Marines, Cunningham concluded that "a complete unit breakdown would occur in a unit tasked to execute this mission."
Whatever the Marine Corps top brass might think, I believe that the Constitution is fairly safe in the hands of the average marine. God bless them all. My guess is that most of them don't mind that Oath Keepers sign at all.
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