Chicago PD superintendent on CHL's..

[texanjoker]

Wow...this Chicago Police Superintendent is bad. He has a city out of control and talks how CHL holders may be shot by the police? Obviously policing isn't working. I wonder what the rank and file think of this statement and him in general.

“You put more guns on the street expect more shootings,” McCarthy said. “I don’t care if they’re licensed legal firearms, people who are not highly trained… putting guns in their hands is a recipe for disaster. So I’ll train our officers that there is a concealed carry law, but when somebody turns with a firearm in their hand the officer does not have an obligation to wait to get shot to return fire and we’re going to have tragedies as a result of that. I’m telling you right up front.” - See more at: http://gunsnfreedom.com/chicago-police- ... E5NAj.dpuf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://gunsnfreedom.com/chicago-police- ... -training/

[cheezit]

yes more bloodshed. it the same thing that was said everywere else, still has not happened.

[mojo84]

It's amazing how some ignore actual results from around the country to promote their own agenda. It's almost as if he is calling his officers to shoot someone with a chl so he can promote his anti-gun agenda by saying, see I told you this would happen.

Anyone know how many chl'ers have been mistakenly shot by officer's thinking they were the perp? If it has happened, I bet there are very few incidences of it happening.

[Diesel42]

If you're afraid of gun owners, you've no business being a police officer. The Chicago police chief is promoting the "us vs. them" paradigm.
IMO, this is sad.

[The Annoyed Man]

It's Chicago. Nothing good ever happens in Chicago.........particularly not in the living rooms of known murdering terrorists who held fundraisers there for an obscure muckraker with presidential ambitions.

[tomtexan]

Some people have tunnel vision. They see what they want to see straight ahead of them and don't want to or won't look around them to see the facts and truth. This so called police chief of Chicago is one of those type.

[mikeloc]

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Mike

[baldeagle]

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Mike

This is not an oops. If you refuse to cooperate with police, and worse yet point your weapon at them, you should expect to be shot. The police have no requirement to first determine if you are a GG or a BG. That could be fatal to them. Rule 3: Never point your weapon at something you don't intend to destroy. Rule 5: If you ever point your weapon at someone who is armed, you had better fire immediately, because you are about to be shot.

[chasfm11]

They called the period of the Beizers massacre the dark ages for a reason. Perhaps Chicago police supervisor is distantly related to Monk Amalric and is trying to channel his ancestor. When all else fails, kill innocent citizens because you are too incompetent to deal with the real underlying crime problem that those citizens were trying to defend themselves against.

[nightmare69]

Sounds like the same old straw man argument that we have heard many times before.

[texanjoker]

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Mike

This is not an oops. If you refuse to cooperate with police, and worse yet point your weapon at them, you should expect to be shot. The police have no requirement to first determine if you are a GG or a BG. That could be fatal to them. Rule 3: Never point your weapon at something you don't intend to destroy. Rule 5: If you ever point your weapon at someone who is armed, you had better fire immediately, because you are about to be shot.

different incident and thread.

[Dadtodabone]

They called the period of the Beizers massacre the dark ages for a reason. Perhaps Chicago police supervisor is distantly related to Monk Amalric and is trying to channel his ancestor. When all else fails, kill innocent citizens because you are too incompetent to deal with the real underlying crime problem that those citizens were trying to defend themselves against.

The Early Middle Ages, AD 476-1000 were never dark. The term "Dark Ages" was coined in the early 14th century by Petrarch, an Italian scholar, decrying the decline of Latin based literature. Not an overall view of the times.
The first universities were founded in the "Dark Ages", scientific advancement, though slow, set the stage for the "High Middle Ages" to grow into the "Renaissance". Algebra "The Compendious Book on Calculation by Completion and Balancing" was written by al-Khwarizmi (790-840). Translations were known to be in Europe in the 9th century. This book gave us the first systematic solution of Linear and Quadratic equations as well as the Decimal Positional Numbering System(Roman Numerals anyone?) and the Arabic title of the book gave us the word “algebra”, "algorithm" comes from al-Khwarizmi's name.
Charlemagne? Carolingian Renaissance? Trade quadrupled from Roman levels, the Norse colonized Iceland, Greenland, Vinland. Feudalism begat safety, Weather(medieval warm period) begat bumper crops, Unified religious belief(Europe)led to peace for the vast majority of European peoples. The glimmerings trial by jury is found in early Germanic law
All of which had nothing to do with the Albigensian Heresy or Crusade and the "Massacre of Béziers" which occurred during the "High Middle Ages" not the "Dark Ages". Or are you referring to "Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius!" "Kill them all. The Lord knows his own" that's an intellectual stretch. Orthodox Catholics chose not to leave, aligned themselves with the Cathars, and died alongside them. Atrocity? Absolutely. In anyway similar to Chicagoans exercising their 2A rights? Nope.

[chasfm11]

They called the period of the Beizers massacre the dark ages for a reason. Perhaps Chicago police supervisor is distantly related to Monk Amalric and is trying to channel his ancestor. When all else fails, kill innocent citizens because you are too incompetent to deal with the real underlying crime problem that those citizens were trying to defend themselves against.

The Early Middle Ages, AD 476-1000 were never dark. The term "Dark Ages" was coined in the early 14th century by Petrarch, an Italian scholar, decrying the decline of Latin based literature. Not an overall view of the times.
The first universities were founded in the "Dark Ages", scientific advancement, though slow, set the stage for the "High Middle Ages" to grow into the "Renaissance". Algebra "The Compendious Book on Calculation by Completion and Balancing" was written by al-Khwarizmi (790-840). Translations were known to be in Europe in the 9th century. This book gave us the first systematic solution of Linear and Quadratic equations as well as the Decimal Positional Numbering System(Roman Numerals anyone?) and the Arabic title of the book gave us the word “algebra”, "algorithm" comes from al-Khwarizmi's name.
Charlemagne? Carolingian Renaissance? Trade quadrupled from Roman levels, the Norse colonized Iceland, Greenland, Vinland. Feudalism begat safety, Weather(medieval warm period) begat bumper crops, Unified religious belief(Europe)led to peace for the vast majority of European peoples. The glimmerings trial by jury is found in early Germanic law
All of which had nothing to do with the Albigensian Heresy or Crusade and the "Massacre of Béziers" which occurred during the "High Middle Ages" not the "Dark Ages". Or are you referring to "Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius!" "Kill them all. The Lord knows his own" that's an intellectual stretch. Orthodox Catholics chose not to leave, aligned themselves with the Cathars, and died alongside them. Atrocity? Absolutely. In anyway similar to Chicagoans exercising their 2A rights? Nope.

I freely admit that my post took a lot of liberty with the historic facts. History was never my best subject I wasn't trying to equate Chicago directly with the massacres of the Cathars. But I was trying to draw some parallels with times that people associate (inaccurately so) with limited enlightenment. The trajectory of the CHicago public schools is definitely away from enlightenment and learning.

I do believe that Chicago's massacre is approaching the level of atrocity. It it were not minority community members committing it against their own community members, there would be widespread outrage. I'm appalled at how easily so many people just blow of the murder of innocent children. From a moral standpoint, I see no difference at all between the mindset of Chicago police chief and those responsible for butchering the Cathers - and anyone who was around them. I find it abhorrent for a person whose sworn duty is to serve and protect the citizens that he serves to stand up in public and say that he is willing kill otherwise innocent citizens who just happen to get in the way of his forces. Even our military takes great pains not to do that in war.

Am I being overly dramatic? Perhaps. But I do hope that the people of this country will see Chicago, Detroit and others for what they are - atrocities. If I have to bend historical facts to try to send that message. I'm not at all sorry.

I watched the news stories form Viet Nam. Many horrible things were done. The people of this country were outraged. But it the end, it really doesn't matter if you kill 24 children all at once or kill 1 or 2 each day. The pile of children's bodies ends up being the same I was glad to see the outrage of the loss of lives in Sandy Hook, though solutions offered to prevent more of the same fell victim to partisan politics.

So yes, I'm a lousy student of history. I'm even worse about trying to draw upon the little that I know to try to make my points. But it is obvious that simply saying the same things over and over again is not helping to create the sense of outrage that I hope will come. I doubt seriously that without that level of outrage, the atrocity will simply continue.

[VoiceofReason]

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Mike

This is not an oops. If you refuse to cooperate with police, and worse yet point your weapon at them, you should expect to be shot. The police have no requirement to first determine if you are a GG or a BG. That could be fatal to them. Rule 3: Never point your weapon at something you don't intend to destroy. Rule 5: If you ever point your weapon at someone who is armed, you had better fire immediately, because you are about to be shot.

If he did point his gun at the officer.

Enough said

[Dadtodabone]

But it is obvious that simply saying the same things over and over again is not helping to create the sense of outrage that I hope will come. I doubt seriously that without that level of outrage, the atrocity will simply continue.

I share your frustration and outrage over the obscene slaughter taking place in Chicago. I'm not able though, to find parallels in history for what's happening.
The closest I've come has been the slaughter of children occurring in modern Judea and Samaria, aka The West Bank and Gaza Strip.

"... We can forgive the Arabs for killing our children. We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children.... We will only have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us."

I've read that drug traffickers in Chicago are recruiting, training and arming an army of children that are responsible for the majority of the murders that take place in Chicago's Black and Hispanic communities. I see little difference between those actions and what the PA, and the PLO before them, has done in radicalizing and training children to kill. Perhaps if that notion, these murders are acts of terrorism, was placed before the American People and Congress, they could compel DHS, the FBI and all the other alphabet agencies to act in the defense of the children of Chicago.

Although, due to my recent epiphany in regards our Government,(apparently I'm a poor student when it comes to current events)I doubt that the Obama administration would be capable of any meaningful action.

p.s. There was nothing so useless as BA in History, in 1972. (double major, economics)