Dangerous for children to play license plate game now.

[philip964]

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Paranoia coupled with a lack of common sense leads to grandma and the kids in the minivan being handcuffed and traumatized. Guns drawn - really.

National Museum of the Air Force.

[RoyGBiv]

We protect museums with guns, but not schools.

[n5wd]

We protect museums with guns, but not schools.

Not at all. We protect Air Force bases with lots of guns. The museum just happens to be on an Air Force Base.

[RoyGBiv]

We protect museums with guns, but not schools.

Not at all. We protect Air Force bases with lots of guns. The museum just happens to be on an Air Force Base.

Silly me. I stand corrected.

[Dragonfighter]

The caller needs to be slapped. Depending on which officers stopped them there may have been some Barney Fifedom in play. The SPs are military and I have never had a problem with any of them, while the contract security are security guards with extra training. Once, while on board Lackland, I got pulled over by one of those guys and he started to dress me down about an inspection sticker being out. He told me to wait there while he called the SPs. When they showed up, he apologized and simply asked I get taken care of as soon as practical. He rolled his eyes at the contractor and took him aside to speak with him as we left.

A company I worked for was going to put me to the training, Langley IIRC, it but they lost the contract. That's how I know what is involved. The one that stopped me couldn't even write a ticket, which I am sure he would have loved to do but had to call the SPs.

For those not of military background, an MP (Military Police) is Army, SPs in Navy and Marines are "Shore Patrol" or at least used to be, while SP in the Air Force is "Security Police". Joint bases go to whichever is the predominant service on board. JRB Carswell is Navy run.

[puma guy]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and bet the license plate number was called in incorrectly.

[VMI77]

The caller needs to be slapped. Depending on which officers stopped them there may have been some Barney Fifedom in play. The SPs are military and I have never had a problem with any of them, while the contract security are security guards with extra training. Once, while on board Lackland, I got pulled over by one of those guys and he started to dress me down about an inspection sticker being out. He told me to wait there while he called the SPs. When they showed up, he apologized and simply asked I get taken care of as soon as practical. He rolled his eyes at the contractor and took him aside to speak with him as we left.

A company I worked for was going to put me to the training, Langley IIRC, it but they lost the contract. That's how I know what is involved. The one that stopped me couldn't even write a ticket, which I am sure he would have loved to do but had to call the SPs.

For those not of military background, an MP (Military Police) is Army, SPs in Navy and Marines are "Shore Patrol" or at least used to be, while SP in the Air Force is "Security Police". Joint bases go to whichever is the predominant service on board. JRB Carswell is Navy run.

You may not have had a problem with them, but I was "arrested" and detained and my vehicle impounded, for nothing, really, nothing (I was stopped and the SP "ordered" myself and another officer to hand over our ID's for "confiscation" --we told him he could look at our ID's all he wanted but he wasn't confiscating anything). Furthermore, the arrest was illegal. The situation resolved itself after my repeated demands to call the command duty officer. They didn't want to do that so they released me and my car to go on my merry way. Granted, something was done about it......and I've no confidence that there would be such consequences today.....but when I reported the incident to my command, one of the senior officers was so enraged that he investigated the incident himself, and when he found out my account was accurate, had the shore patrolman relieved of duty.

[VMI77]

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Paranoia coupled with a lack of common sense leads to grandma and the kids in the minivan being handcuffed and traumatized. Guns drawn - really.

National Museum of the Air Force.

The zero tolerance equivalent of law enforcement. Don't use any judgment and consider Grandma and her young Grandchildren to be equivalent to Bonnie and Clyde.

[jmra]

Maybe the lesson learned is not to let your kids run around like animals sticking their noses where they don't belong. My kids were never allowed to behave that way. If you go looking inside peoples cars you are going to get unwanted attention.

[Oldgringo]

Maybe the lesson learned is not to let your kids run around like animals sticking their noses where they don't belong. My kids were never allowed to behave that way. If you go looking inside peoples cars you are going to get unwanted attention.

It either begins at home or it doesn't begin at all.

[VoiceofReason]

Maybe the lesson learned is not to let your kids run around like animals sticking their noses where they don't belong. My kids were never allowed to behave that way. If you go looking inside peoples cars you are going to get unwanted attention.

Assumption? The MSM is famous for its accuracy or infamous for its inaccuracy depending on who you ask. Might the children have been spotting out of state plates and not looking inside cars at all. The caller may have “padded” his report so it would be checked.

“Our security force, based on limited information, made a “high-risk” traffic stop”.

It would be a “high-risk” traffic stop if you are a wimp for lack of a better word that won’t get me kicked off the forum.

If someone in our department had a mother and grandmother at gunpoint, on their knees handcuffed beside the street, he would have never lived it down.

I would have been the first to tape one bullet to his locker door with a fake memo that he is not to carry any other ammo and he is to carry that bullet in his shirt pocket.

[jmra]

Maybe the lesson learned is not to let your kids run around like animals sticking their noses where they don't belong. My kids were never allowed to behave that way. If you go looking inside peoples cars you are going to get unwanted attention.

Assumption?

Perhaps, but given the way many children are raised today, I doubt it.

[philip964]

Its well known that true BG's hang out at museums with their minivans.

[nightmare]

Like it's well known that kids don't commit property crimes?

[mamabearCali]

The children were 8 and 5 and while it is conceivable that children that age could or would do property damage it is not very likely. It is also just as likely as kids running around peeking in cars as the kids were just running around. It is also possible that they (being with their grandmother) ran to the wrong type of car, then ran back to their grandmothers car.

DISCRETION! COMMON SENSE! I can call in and say anything I darn well please and most likely will face no consequences for it, but what damage has been done. It does not matter how many officer friendly interactions these kids have now, they will remember what happened. A grandmother will likely have PTSD and panic attacks for nothing. How much could have been solved with a simpler stop that did not treat people like escaped prisoners.