Verbal and Written Notice(s) on private property

[GJwitha45]

A business associate that I do some construction related work for is very anti-gun. He has concerns over the events taking place in the St. Louis area and feels that putting up some signage at his properties will keep "bad people" as he termed it from being on his properties. As far as I know he is totally unaware of 30.06 and unless someone else steers him in the direction of such he will remain unaware. These properties are retail strip centers and a few stand alone retail bldgs. With that said, he is wanting to do:

1. Have some "No Guns Allowed" signs made and posted and all entrances along with the usual gunbuster style sign.

2. Hire someone to stand at the entrances of his properties to verbally tell those entering the parking lots and also handout flyers that will say no firearms are allowed on this property, and all vehicles and persons entering are subject to immediate search without warning.

Thoughts and opinions? I will not be going there to do anymore work at his sites I know. Does motor vehicle protection carry anything on this? Private search of person or car?

Sorry if this has been discussed before, I searched the forum and did not find anything.

[bigity]

Well, the sign would not be considered effective notice for CHL holders, and I'm am pretty sure he cannot legally prevent someone from having a weapon in their car, much less conduct a search.

[Keith B]

Well, the sign would not be considered effective notice for CHL holders, and I'm am pretty sure he cannot legally prevent someone from having a weapon in their car, much less conduct a search.

Yes they can. Private property is off-limits with verbal notification period. If they tell you that you can't have a firearm on their property in your vehicle it is enforceable. The only exception is for employee's in their company parking lot (not including schools and refineries.)

EDIT TO ADD: A private property owner can also refuse entrance to property based on requirements they set, which can include search of vehicles if they want to. The option is you don't get to enter if you refuse the search.

[bigity]

Well, true, and sorry for the misinformation. I was assuming more like a shopping center parking lot that wasn't his property.

[Keith B]

Well, true, and sorry for the misinformation. I was assuming more like a shopping center parking lot that wasn't his property.

If he owns the shopping center OR is in control of the property (property manger, etc.) then they can set teh guidelines and authorize someone to enforce the rules on no firearms allowed in the parking lot.

[Cedar Park Dad]

A business associate that I do some construction related work for is very anti-gun. He has concerns over the events taking place in the St. Louis area and feels that putting up some signage at his properties will keep "bad people" as he termed it from being on his properties. As far as I know he is totally unaware of 30.06 and unless someone else steers him in the direction of such he will remain unaware. These properties are retail strip centers and a few stand alone retail bldgs. With that said, he is wanting to do:

1. Have some "No Guns Allowed" signs made and posted and all entrances along with the usual gunbuster style sign.

2. Hire someone to stand at the entrances of his properties to verbally tell those entering the parking lots and also handout flyers that will say no firearms are allowed on this property, and all vehicles and persons entering are subject to immediate search without warning.

Thoughts and opinions? I will not be going there to do anymore work at his sites I know. Does motor vehicle protection carry anything on this? Private search of person or car?

Sorry if this has been discussed before, I searched the forum and did not find anything.

Wait he thinks he's going to be able to search customer vehicles entering his lot?
He might not have a business very long for you to work with him on...

[Cedar Park Dad]

Well, true, and sorry for the misinformation. I was assuming more like a shopping center parking lot that wasn't his property.

If he owns the shopping center OR is in control of the property (property manger, etc.) then they can set teh guidelines and authorize someone to enforce the rules on no firearms allowed in the parking lot.

Having said that, he cannot force you to open your vehicle when you're on the property. If you refuse then you can be declared a tresspasser, but he has no police search procedures.

[bigity]

I hate this kind of response. In Missouri gun sales are skyrocketing because business owners are fearing for their lives and livelihood from criminals, and this guy's idea is to ban guns? I guess I just can't wrap my head around that kind of through process.

It seems odd he can ban firearms from parking lots when schools and business are prevented from doing so. I guess I need to read up some more.

[Cedar Park Dad]

I hate this kind of response. In Missouri gun sales are skyrocketing because business owners are fearing for their lives and livelihood from criminals, and this guy's idea is to ban guns? I guess I just can't wrap my head around that kind of through process.

It seems odd he can ban firearms from parking lots when schools and business are prevented from doing so. I guess I need to read up some more.

Rights of private property owners. I'm fine with that legally. The stupidity of it is something else entirely.
Having someone standing out saying he can search your car, well at least the feedback should be instantaneous. I imagine any stores in his centers will have a rolling fight might quick and end that.

[Keith B]

I hate this kind of response. In Missouri gun sales are skyrocketing because business owners are fearing for their lives and livelihood from criminals, and this guy's idea is to ban guns? I guess I just can't wrap my head around that kind of through process.

It seems odd he can ban firearms from parking lots when schools and business are prevented from doing so. I guess I need to read up some more.

Schools and businesses CAN ban firearms in the parking lot. A 'no guns' sign at the entrance to the parking lot is all that is needed (30.06 for a CHL). Guns are not allowed within 1000' of schools by federal law UNLESS you have CHL. Then you get a pass only because the Gun Free School Zone act gives and exemption to a CHL in the state where tehir license is issued and government entity (school) can't enforce a 30.06. Schools can still prohibit their employees from having a gun in their vehicle by policy.

[bigity]

I hate this kind of response. In Missouri gun sales are skyrocketing because business owners are fearing for their lives and livelihood from criminals, and this guy's idea is to ban guns? I guess I just can't wrap my head around that kind of through process.

It seems odd he can ban firearms from parking lots when schools and business are prevented from doing so. I guess I need to read up some more.

Schools and businesses CAN ban firearms in the parking lot. A 'no guns' sign at the entrance to the parking lot is all that is needed (30.06 for a CHL). Guns are not allowed within 1000' of schools by federal law UNLESS you have CHL. Then you get a pass only because the Gun Free School Zone act gives and exemption to a CHL in the state where tehir license is issued and government entity (school) can't enforce a 30.06. Schools can still prohibit their employees from having a gun in their vehicle by policy.

Yes, was only referring to CHL carry.

But it makes sense that private properly laws trump that, thanks for clearing me up.

[ScottDLS]

Well, true, and sorry for the misinformation. I was assuming more like a shopping center parking lot that wasn't his property.

If he owns the shopping center OR is in control of the property (property manger, etc.) then they can set teh guidelines and authorize someone to enforce the rules on no firearms allowed in the parking lot.

Sure, but he can't prosecute a CHL if they leave gun in the car.

[Keith B]

Well, true, and sorry for the misinformation. I was assuming more like a shopping center parking lot that wasn't his property.

If he owns the shopping center OR is in control of the property (property manger, etc.) then they can set the guidelines and authorize someone to enforce the rules on no firearms allowed in the parking lot.

Sure, but he can't prosecute a CHL if they leave gun in the car.

How so? If they post both a 'No Guns' sign and a 30.06, then MPA and CHL are both prohibited and they could prosecute.

[GJwitha45]

Thanks to all, but the last couple of post seems to have confused me. I have my CHL. If he does not post 30.06 can I go on the property to do my work even when given the verbal notice and the printed flyer?

[ScottDLS]

Well, true, and sorry for the misinformation. I was assuming more like a shopping center parking lot that wasn't his property.

If he owns the shopping center OR is in control of the property (property manger, etc.) then they can set the guidelines and authorize someone to enforce the rules on no firearms allowed in the parking lot.

Sure, but he can't prosecute a CHL if they leave gun in the car.

How so? If they post both a 'No Guns' sign and a 30.06, then MPA and CHL are both prohibited and they could prosecute.

30.05 has a DEFENSE for a CHL if the reason for exclusion was that person was carrying a handgun and HAS (not carrying under authority of) a CHL. 30.06 only prohibits if you're carrying under authority of, which you're not if gun remains in car.