10MM Advice

[cowhow]

OK, so I had a nostalgic itch and had to scratch it by walking out of the gun range (after paying) with a Glock 29. I had had a 10mm some years ago and recalled it being a hard hitting round and it seems 10mm has enjoyed a resurgence in the last few years. I plan on carrying 180 or 200 Hornady XTP. I'd prefer HSTs, but they aren't available in 10mm. Am I making a good choice or are there better SD rounds in 10mm?

[jmra]

Honestly IMHO, 10MM is a poor selection for SD regardless of what round you select. When the Feds went to the 10MM after the fiasco in Miami they quickly learned that no matter how much time their agents spent on the range they could not place multiple rapid fired shots within an acceptable pattern due to the recoil of the 10MM round. This resulted in a request for less powder in the round. SW realized that with less powder a shorter casing could be used along with a shorter framed gun. Welcome the .40 SW round.
My point is this, if Federal agents who had access to unlimited range time and ammo couldn't master the 10MM round I doubt many without those resources can. Remember, it's a lot more about shot placement than it is the round being used.

[cowhow]

It is a potent round for sure and won't be my daily carry. That would be my Sig 938. Like a lot of modern ammo I think 10mm has matured over what it once was. You can get 10mm ammo that's "detuend" to pretty much equal a 40 and if I want to shoot 40 out of the G29 Lone Wolf and KKM both offer barrels that safely let me do that. But, like I said this was really a nostalgic addition and the 9s I have are much cheaper to shoot.

[jmra]

It is a potent round for sure and won't be my daily carry. That would be my Sig 938. Like a lot of modern ammo I think 10mm has matured over what it once was. You can get 10mm ammo that's "detuend" to pretty much equal a 40 and if I want to shoot 40 out of the G29 Lone Wolf and KKM both offer barrels that safely let me do that. But, like I said this was really a nostalgic addition and the 9s I have are much cheaper to shoot.

So, is it a range gun or will it be carried for self defense? If your EDC is the 938 why would you want a SD round for the 10MM? What would be the advantage of a detuned 10MM round that acts like a .40 over an actual .40 (which is much cheaper) or even a good SD 9mm round from your 938?
Just trying to understand the ultimate goal.

[ShootDontTalk]

I have a Glock 20SF that shoots very much like a Glock 19. There is a bit of difference in recoil, but not really enough for me to even notice. I don't carry the G20 every day, but wouldn't have a problem doing so. It conceals about like a G17.

Ammo wise, I have started carrying Underwood stuff. They have a Nosler 135gr JHP load that clocks about 1520 fps out of the G20. In heavier weather clothing days, I carry their 180gr Gold Dot JHP load which clocks about 1300fps. Both are real 10mm loads as the cartridge was designed.

Is it better than cheaper rounds? No. But it is a hoot to shoot.

[cowhow]

So, is it a range gun or will it be carried for self defense...Just trying to understand the ultimate goal.

Sure, I want the option of picking it up as I go out the door. Since I can't afford to have guns for specific purposes every gun I own is a potential CC weapon.

Ammo wise, I have started carrying Underwood stuff. They have a Nosler 135gr JHP load that clocks about 1520 fps out of the G20. In heavier weather clothing days, I carry their 180gr Gold Dot JHP load which clocks about 1300fps. Both are real 10mm loads as the cartridge was designed.

I was also looking at Underwood. I've heard nothing but good things about their ammo and they have such a wide selection you can get just about any weight and load you want. I've never shot it, but will give it a try.

[Abraham]

Is 10 MM ammo commonly available?

Is it super costly?

Things to consider.

[ShootDontTalk]

Is 10 MM ammo commonly available?

Is it super costly?

Things to consider.

Go browse Underwood's site:

https://www.underwoodammo.com/10mm-auto/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Answer- yes and no respectively.

[mrvmax]

Honestly IMHO, 10MM is a poor selection for SD regardless of what round you select. When the Feds went to the 10MM after the fiasco in Miami they quickly learned that no matter how much time their agents spent on the range they could not place multiple rapid fired shots within an acceptable pattern due to the recoil of the 10MM round. This resulted in a request for less powder in the round. SW realized that with less powder a shorter casing could be used along with a shorter framed gun. Welcome the .40 SW round.
My point is this, if Federal agents who had access to unlimited range time and ammo couldn't master the 10MM round I doubt many without those resources can. Remember, it's a lot more about shot placement than it is the round being used.

I will respectfully disagree with you, it is not a poor choice. You cannot make a generalized statement and expect it o apply to everyone. The FBI had issues since they had a variety of agents, both male and female and the 10mm would not work well for the amount of people they had and it is true that it would not work well for many people today but that does not make it a bad choice. I know men that cannot handle recoil of 40 S&W yet I can shoot a S&W 500 with a 3" barrel with no problem. I have a S&W 1029 that I can shoot rapidly with no problems and I have a Glock 20 on the way that I plan on carrying and for a time I had a Colt Delta. Granted, the 29 is a lot smaller but for some people may not be a problem. The 10mm round itself is a great self defense round for those that can handle the recoil.

[mrvmax]

Is 10 MM ammo commonly available?

Is it super costly?

Things to consider.

Anyone that has a 10mm should be handloading and only buying self defense ammo.

[Glockster]

Is 10 MM ammo commonly available?

Is it super costly?

Things to consider.

Until it's not and it is.

I had the same Glock and recall quite well when the big ammo scare was going on some years back that I went for over a year and couldn't get any (especially range ammo). Well, couldn't get anything in any quantity and what I could get that was good SD stuff, it was as I recall significantly more expensive than my .40SW rounds. I loved the gun though, and there was to be honest a certain amount of thrill in having it on the firing line and when I pulled the trigger everyone else stopped shooting and came over to see what I had as a 10mm makes a pretty good noise. And if you're a hunter, it does in fact make for something that you can use for hunting. I had mine for about five years and in the end the cost of the target ammo just made it to the point where I didn't want to shoot it. And if you don't practice with the 10mm, and work on control that recoil will be a problem. Living in an OC state at the time I will say that if someone ever noticed me carrying it was most often when I had that 10mm.

[ShootDontTalk]

Until it's not and it is.

I had the same Glock and recall quite well when the big ammo scare was going on some years back that I went for over a year and couldn't get any (especially range ammo). Well, couldn't get anything in any quantity and what I could get that was good SD stuff, it was as I recall significantly more expensive than my .40SW rounds. I loved the gun though, and there was to be honest a certain amount of thrill in having it on the firing line and when I pulled the trigger everyone else stopped shooting and came over to see what I had as a 10mm makes a pretty good noise. And if you're a hunter, it does in fact make for something that you can use for hunting. I had mine for about five years and in the end the cost of the target ammo just made it to the point where I didn't want to shoot it. And if you don't practice with the 10mm, and work on control that recoil will be a problem. Living in an OC state at the time I will say that if someone ever noticed me carrying it was most often when I had that 10mm.

I think you're missing something here. This is now. You're describing the way things used to be. Defense ammo for every calibre is expensive now. 10mm defense ammo is not any more so than a lot of others. Practice ammo? Yeah 10mm is expensive, so let's deal with that problem.

We've been talking Glocks here. I've been shooting them for a long time. One of the great things about them is that shooting a 20 is shooting a 21 is shooting a 22 is shooting a 17 - they all pretty much shoot the same. The triggers are all the same. The frames almost the same size and the grips, at least on the 21 and 20 are identical. The others are close enough. I have discovered that to shoot one, in a given frame size, is like shooting any of the others. You can also buy conversion barrels to allow switching to a practice cartridge that is cheaper. Train on a cheaper calibre gun, or get a conversion barrel.

Carrying? Even open carrying, I don't imagine anyone could tell which duty-sized Glock you're carrying. YMMV

[One Shot]

When the Feds went to the 10MM after the fiasco in Miami they quickly learned that no matter how much time their agents spent on the range they could not place multiple rapid fired shots within an acceptable pattern due to the recoil of the 10MM round.
My point is this, if Federal agents who had access to unlimited range time and ammo couldn't master the 10MM round I doubt many without those resources can. Remember, it's a lot more about shot placement than it is the round being used.

With a one-shot stop rivaling the .357, multiple rapid firing of the 10mm is not necessary, and probably not prudent.
Agree it's about shot placement, and with the first round out being the most important, the 10mm is a very good choice.

[jmra]

When the Feds went to the 10MM after the fiasco in Miami they quickly learned that no matter how much time their agents spent on the range they could not place multiple rapid fired shots within an acceptable pattern due to the recoil of the 10MM round.
My point is this, if Federal agents who had access to unlimited range time and ammo couldn't master the 10MM round I doubt many without those resources can. Remember, it's a lot more about shot placement than it is the round being used.

With a one-shot stop rivaling the .357, multiple rapid firing of the 10mm is not necessary, and probably not prudent.
Agree it's about shot placement, and with the first round out being the most important, the 10mm is a very good choice.

If you believe in a one-shot stop for SD then you're drinking the koolaide.

[ShootDontTalk]

If you believe in a one-shot stop for SD then you're drinking the koolaide.

Here is some good reading on the subject of the 10mm from the FTU of the FBI:

http://www.firearmstactical.com/pdf/fbi_10mm_notes.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;