Introducing new Americans to 2a

[zatoman]

I frequent a convenience store whose employees are green card holding kids from various countries. The current employee is from Sri Lanka. He feared Tamil Tigers when he was growing up and appreciated the Chinese providing them with Type 56 AKS rifles.

Being new to this country, he knew nothing of the 2nd Amendment, or even the Constitution. I am teaching him about America (I.e. Led Zeppelin is the best rock band (English is close enough) US won in WW2, and the right to defend ourselves is God given).

I offered to take him shooting since he has never shot, but his 12 hour a day, 7 days a week, schedule gets in the way.

He is a good kid and wants to carry, but that is a nonissue because money goes to support his parents and girlfriend in Sri Lanka. He may be able to save enough for a cheap used gun, but the fees and training expense for obtaining a license are prohibitive.

Carrying is for "rich folk". Good, but poor, folk need not apply.

[zatoman]

Seems to be a dead end post. Whatever. Since whites, with their fear of the cost of producing and raising progeny, are becoming history, the new Americans (I.e. Non whites) need to be taught.

[WTR]

Is a person with a green card even eligible for a LTC? By the way I know quite a few illegal immigrants for Mexico and South America who easily find pistols to carry......the just don't bother with a LTC permit. Your correct, whites are being out bred......but then again we pay for our children ourselves.....not the Government (taxpayer......you know the white folks)

[Vol Texan]

Is a person with a green card even eligible for a LTC? By the way I know quite a few illegal immigrants for Mexico and South America who easily find pistols to carry......the just don't bother with a LTC permit. Your correct, whites are being out bred......but then again we pay for our children ourselves.....not the Government (taxpayer......you know the white folks)

Here is some good information on this topic:

viewtopic.php?f=36&t=74717

[parabelum]

I don't understand the post.

I came to this country with literally one suitcase, from war torn Bosnia. Worked my tail off, in construction by day and cleaning toilets during night.
Slowly, I saved my pennies and put myself through fire academy/emt school, bought a house and started a family.
Few years later, I studied more and went through process of becoming naturalized US citizen. The drive for Constitutional knowledge and 2A was visceral for me.
Some time later I went further and obtained 4 year degree in Mathematics, along with Six Sigma Black Belt certification.
Yep, in 17 years I went from toilet cleaner fresh from war torn country to a successful business person, and that has nothing to do with rich or poor, black or white etc.
It has everything to do with being an American, understanding that through love for God and this Country, nothing is impossible.
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" Phillippians 4:13.

Your friend has to hunger for knowledge.
If you serve it on a platter, he'll never learn.

I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.

[Jusme]

I hope this thread goes in the direction I believe it was intended. I believe that zatoman is correct, most immigrants are very uninformed regarding not only the second amendment, but the entire Constitution and what it stands for in our country. I don't know what requirements are necessary for an immigrant to aquire a LTC (besides the financial ones) But I believe that everyone should have the right to self defense, and as long as someone is willing to meet all requirements regarding citizenship etc. Then we should do our part to help them learn as much as we can to ensure they are fully informed regarding the rights others have sacrificed so much to guarantee.

[WTR]

I don't understand the post.

I came to this country with literally one suitcase, from war torn Bosnia. Worked my tail off, in construction by day and cleaning toilets during night.
Slowly, I saved my pennies and put myself through fire academy/emt school, bought a house and started a family.
Few years later, I studied more and went through process of becoming naturalized US citizen. The drive for Constitutional knowledge and 2A was visceral for me.
Some time later I went further and obtained 4 year degree in Mathematics, along with Six Sigma Black Belt certification.
Yep, in 17 years I went from toilet cleaner fresh from war torn country to a successful business person, and that has nothing to do with rich or poor, black or white etc.
It has everything to do with being an American, understanding that through love for God and this Country, nothing is impossible.
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" Phillippians 4:13.

Your friend has to hunger for knowledge.
If you serve it on a platter, he'll never learn.

I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.

admirable

[parabelum]

I understand the benevolent nature of the post.
My opinion is that everyone ought to carry their weight, in all regards.
Getting educated about 2A is really not that hard. If someone finds that to be too much to digest, then I submit that they are not ready to carry weapons in my country.
It is a assimilation step, a vital one.
Hope it makes sense.

[stingeragent]

I truly see no point to this post unless it was to start a financial debate? Your inherent conclusion at the end of your post is false. I have a LTC and am by no means rich. I wouldn't even consider myself blue collar. I think it is a far stretch to say a LTC is only for the rich. It's what, 150 for the license, 100-150 for the course, and like 12 for fingerprinting. So that means to save around 300 classifies you as rich?

[Jusme]

I understand the benevolent nature of the post.
My opinion is that everyone ought to carry their weight, in all regards.
Getting educated about 2A is really not that hard. If someone finds that to be too much to digest, then I submit that they are not ready to carry weapons in my country.
It is a assimilation step, a vital one.
Hope it makes sense.

Yes exactly. Someone who wants to enjoy everything this country has to offer they need to put in the effort. While this is the greatest country in the world, citizenship comes with responsibilty. I applaud parabelum for not only putting in the effort to be successful, but for understanding what being a citizen really means

[VMI77]

CC is not just for "rich folk." Come on....you can buy a Ruger LCP at Academy on sale for $250. If someone who is by no means "rich" wants to CC they can save up the necessary funds to do so. It may take awhile, but it can be done. It's a matter of priorities.

[Jusme]

I frequent a convenience store whose employees are green card holding kids from various countries. The current employee is from Sri Lanka. He feared Tamil Tigers when he was growing up and appreciated the Chinese providing them with Type 56 AKS rifles.

Being new to this country, he knew nothing of the 2nd Amendment, or even the Constitution. I am teaching him about America (I.e. Led Zeppelin is the best rock band (English is close enough) US won in WW2, and the right to defend ourselves is God given).

I offered to take him shooting since he has never shot, but his 12 hour a day, 7 days a week, schedule gets in the way.

He is a good kid and wants to carry, but that is a nonissue because money goes to support his parents and girlfriend in Sri Lanka. He may be able to save enough for a cheap used gun, but the fees and training expense for obtaining a license are prohibitive.

Carrying is for "rich folk". Good, but poor, folk need not apply.

I wanted to stay out of the "poor man" "rich man" discussion, but I am confused as to the exact point zatoman is trying to make. The second amendment provides the right to keep and bear arms, it does not guarantee that those arms be made affordable based on ones ability to pay. We all have financial priorities, we have to provide food, shelter and clothing for our families, we may need to purchase transportation to commute to and from our jobs, if we purchase a vehicle under state law we must carry insurance. The same restrictions are present regarding LTC. One may purchase a gun and keep it with us at home or in our vehicle, but until the laws change, we must pony up the money for training and license fees, if we wish to carry at all times.
I don't see that the fees are so prohibitive, that if it is someones priority, that they couldn't find a way to obtain the funds. Parabelum eloquently stated how he worked two jobs, saved money, put himself through school, and now enjoys all of the benefits of his labors. I get the impression, that perhaps, you think we are somehow trying to impede a person's rights based on either their country of origin, or the color of their skin, or that because we "have ours" we don't want someone else to get "theirs"
While I don't pretend to speak for everyone, I can assure you that I am a staunch supporter everyone's rights, and if that was the intention of the post, I truly resent the implication.

If it was not the intent then I apologize for any misunderstandings.

[VMI77]

I frequent a convenience store whose employees are green card holding kids from various countries. The current employee is from Sri Lanka. He feared Tamil Tigers when he was growing up and appreciated the Chinese providing them with Type 56 AKS rifles.

Being new to this country, he knew nothing of the 2nd Amendment, or even the Constitution. I am teaching him about America (I.e. Led Zeppelin is the best rock band (English is close enough) US won in WW2, and the right to defend ourselves is God given).

I offered to take him shooting since he has never shot, but his 12 hour a day, 7 days a week, schedule gets in the way.

He is a good kid and wants to carry, but that is a nonissue because money goes to support his parents and girlfriend in Sri Lanka. He may be able to save enough for a cheap used gun, but the fees and training expense for obtaining a license are prohibitive.

Carrying is for "rich folk". Good, but poor, folk need not apply.

I wanted to stay out of the "poor man" "rich man" discussion, but I am confused as to the exact point zatoman is trying to make. The second amendment provides the right to keep and bear arms, it does not guarantee that those arms be made affordable based on ones ability to pay. We all have financial priorities, we have to provide food, shelter and clothing for our families, we may need to purchase transportation to commute to and from our jobs, if we purchase a vehicle under state law we must carry insurance. The same restrictions are present regarding LTC. One may purchase a gun and keep it with us at home or in our vehicle, but until the laws change, we must pony up the money for training and license fees, if we wish to carry at all times.
I don't see that the fees are so prohibitive, that if it is someones priority, that they couldn't find a way to obtain the funds. Parabelum eloquently stated how he worked two jobs, saved money, put himself through school, and now enjoys all of the benefits of his labors. I get the impression, that perhaps, you think we are somehow trying to impede a person's rights based on either their country of origin, or the color of their skin, or that because we "have ours" we don't want someone else to get "theirs"
While I don't pretend to speak for everyone, I can assure you that I am a staunch supporter everyone's rights, and if that was the intention of the post, I truly resent the implication.

If it was not the intent then I apologize for any misunderstandings.

You could probably do the whole thing if you're careful for around $500...class and gun. Would it be the "best" gun...for me no, but a gun like an LCP that a lot of people carry and consider best for them. That could be achieved by saving $1 a day for around 18 months. So, someone might have to forego a coke every day for a year and a half, or cigarettes, or eating out, or any number of perhaps desirable but unnecessary expenditures. Saving 50 cents a day would just take 3 years instead of 18 months. Except in very rare circumstances when someone says they can't do it what it really means is that it's less of a priority for them than something else.

[Bitter Clinger]

Seems to be a dead end post. Whatever. Since whites, with their fear of the cost of producing and raising progeny, are becoming history, the new Americans (I.e. Non whites) need to be taught.

Identity politics do not have a place on this forum to my mind. There are only two races of people IMHO, good or evil. The good need to be taught, if they are open to being taught. Sounds like your employee is one of the good. There is always a solution.