What argument to KEEP 06/07 signs?

[Ruark]

There will apparently be a significant push this session to simplify signage requirements, making it acceptable to just post a gunbuster sign, or something downloadable from the DPS web site that can be printed on a sheet of typing paper, the idea being to dispose of those big, ugly signs that are currently required, and that many businesses hate having to plaster all over their entrances.

If that is the case, what argument would you use against it?

Asking politely... please stay on topic.

[Beiruty]

There will apparently be a significant push this session to simplify signage requirements, making it acceptable to just post a gunbuster sign, or something downloadable from the DPS web site that can be printed on a sheet of typing paper, the idea being to dispose of those big, ugly signs that are currently required, and that many businesses hate having to plaster all over their entrances.

If that is the case, what argument would you use against it?

Asking politely... please stay on topic.

If they want to repeal signs law, no problem, then any signs to ban your right of carrying your handgun has NO force of law.

[The Annoyed Man]

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HB 191 (Bernal, D, F) Relating to the notice given by a property owner prohibiting a handgun license holder from carrying a handgun on certain property.
Impact: Amends TPC§§ 30.06 and 30.07 by reducing the size of required signs to 8.5"X11" maximum and leaving vertiage up to the DPS.
Position on Bill: Oppose this terrible bill!
Status: Filed 11/14/16
Comments: Guts TPC §30.06 that has been beneficial to property owners and Licensees for 20 years.

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HB 234 (Anchia, D, F) Relating to wrongful exclusion of handgun license holders from property owned by or leased to a governmental entity and to certain offenses relating to the carrying of handguns on that property.
Impact: Limits the application of the "Fines for Signs" law (Tex. Gov't Code §411.209) to government property occupied by a governmental agency. It exempts governmental agencies and entities from the statutory fines, if a non-governmental entity or person is "occupying" governmental property. It also amends TPC §30.06 and 30.07 such that signs are enforceable on government property if occupied by a non-governmental entity or person.
Position on Bill: Oppose.
Status: Filed 11/14/16.
Comments: This Bill does the opposite of what must be done.

HB 246 (Anchia, D, F) Relating to the notice given by a property owner prohibiting a handgun license holder from carrying a handgun on the property.
Impact: Amends TPC §§30.06 and 30.07 by allowing the use of a pictogram (international slash symbol) to bar entry by Licensees with a handgun.
Position on Bill: Oppose this terrible bill!
Status: Filed 11/14/16.
Comments: Guts TPC §30.06 that has been beneficial to property owners and Licensees for 20 years.

Note that these bills to gut 30.06 & 30.07 are sponsored by democrats with "F" ratings from the NRA. That by itself should be enough to convince you that eliminating 30.06/07 is a bad idea. Anything sponsored by anti-gun "F" rated democrats is almost certainly a bad idea for LTC/CHL holders.

[TreyHouston]

The 3006 and 3007 signs have been posted all over store fronts, some low by the sidewalk, some 25 ft away from the dooe and i have seen one sideways up at the top right on the door. HOW AM I suppose to see these?? They need to be on the door if they carry any weight of the law. Now they want to make them smaller?? !!!!
What about traffic signals and school zone signs? If they want smaller 3006/3007 signs, them why not make ALL SIGNS smaller too!!

[AJSully421]

Because we are just so darn law abiding, we want to be able to see the signs at a distance so that we can joyfully comply with the owner's wishes and leave our gun in our vehicle. A small 8.5x11 sign will make this harder.

I want the law changed... to say that any sign must be displayed at the outermost part of each entrance so that it can be viewed without having to enter anywhere. I hate nothing more than signs in foyers, or at the hostess podium, or elsewhere.

[C-dub]

Okay. No force of law and only a Class C misdemeanor after refusing to leave after being asked to leave by LEO.

Otherwise, no dice and we make the sign requirements more strict. Minimum sign size, no lettering on glass, and 30.06 also at every entrance. Black lettering only on white background.

[Vol Texan]

Unlike a 'No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service" sign, the 30.06 sign has a criminal penalty for missing it. If I accidentally miss other signs, no problem, but the penalty for missing these is sufficiently large that the sign must be impossible to miss.

So get rid of the criminal impact, and make them the size of a thumbtack, for all I care. But keep it a criminal result, and I have every right to expect that sign to be impossible to miss.

[bblhd672]

Keep the .06 and .07 signs because the intent of the legislature in dictating the signage was to keep handgun owners from being targeted by thieves who see them returning their handguns to their vehicles.

Ask any Democrat who supports this bill if they want more stolen handguns in the possession of criminals on the streets of Texas.

[bblhd672]

Saw this on another forum thread from Jan 2016 and thought it was appropriate (and funny):

if a place is posted 30.06/30.07, don some body armor before going in

[TomV]

Making it easier to post a location may result in more locations being posted. Especially if all that is required is a gun buster sign.

[dhoobler]

Ask any Democrat who supports this bill if they want more stolen handguns in the possession of criminals on the streets of Texas.

Repeal 30.06 and 30.07 entirely. Call it the Children's Protection From Stolen Firearms Act.

[doncb]

Because we are just so darn law abiding, we want to be able to see the signs at a distance so that we can joyfully comply with the owner's wishes and leave our gun in our vehicle. A small 8.5x11 sign will make this harder.

I want the law changed... to say that any sign must be displayed at the outermost part of each entrance so that it can be viewed without having to enter anywhere. I hate nothing more than signs in foyers, or at the hostess podium, or elsewhere.

Lets take it another step. The signs MUST be located ON the door, bold black letters on a white background and be of a minimum 3' x 4'. If they don't want guns in their business, maybe they should be happy to make it so obvious. Personally, if I have to walk back to my car because of a poorly placed sign, I'm not going to walk back to the business.

[ScottDLS]

Unlike a 'No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service" sign, the 30.06 sign has a criminal penalty for missing it. If I accidentally miss other signs, no problem, but the penalty for missing these is sufficiently large that the sign must be impossible to miss.

So get rid of the criminal impact, and make them the size of a thumbtack, for all I care. But keep it a criminal result, and I have every right to expect that sign to be impossible to miss.

What about a no shirt, no shoes, no entry sign? Violation of that is (supposedly) a class B misdemeanor.

[Pawpaw]

Because we are just so darn law abiding, we want to be able to see the signs at a distance so that we can joyfully comply with the owner's wishes and leave our gun in our vehicle. A small 8.5x11 sign will make this harder.

I want the law changed... to say that any sign must be displayed at the outermost part of each entrance so that it can be viewed without having to enter anywhere. I hate nothing more than signs in foyers, or at the hostess podium, or elsewhere.

Lets take it another step. The signs MUST be located ON the door, bold black letters on a white background and be of a minimum 3' x 4'. If they don't want guns in their business, maybe they should be happy to make it so obvious. Personally, if I have to walk back to my car because of a poorly placed sign, I'm not going to walk back to the business.

While we're wishing...

30.06 signs must be black letters on a yellow background & 30.07 signs must be black letters on a pink background.