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We have researched the subject thoroughly. We are completely satisfied that our conclusions are accurate. I suggest others who might find themselves in similar situations do as much research as possible and draw their own conclusions.cb1000rider wrote:That seems pretty safe if you've asked local authorities...
Not the opinion of a single attorney. We've had it reviewed by several firms over the years and consulted with local authorities. There is absolutely no doubt that the facilities are only classified as a school per the terms of the lease. Outside of the lease terms the property is owned and completely controlled/occupied by the Church.cb1000rider wrote:So now what's in the lease defines when it's a school? Is that in conjunction with accreditation or not? I mean if it revolves around when school is in session (days,hours, weeks) - then that might open up being able to carry on actual ISD grounds for private events when those facilities are leased out, right? I'm kidding of course, but I find the whole thing confusing and frustrating. I don't trust the opinion of a single attorney on it.jmra wrote: Simple. The way the lease is written it is only a school when it is leased as such. The lease is very specific about days and hours.
This issue exists at our church. I know of a few people who have asked for and received permission to carry at church from the pastor. I know that doesn't really address the whole "school" issue - but it'd make me feel better if I was one of those people.
Simple. The way the lease is written it is only a school when it is leased as such. The lease is very specific about days and hours.cb1000rider wrote:A lawyers job is to give you his/her best understanding of the law. I see no exclusion in the law due to hours, although I'd tend to agree with that attorney's interpretation of intent... Just be aware that a legal opinion does not guarantee protection.C-dub wrote: That is an odd scenario and I hope whoever you've been assured by is correct. I would be worried only because of licensing of the school, but I guess it really does depend on who the owner of the property is. I've just never run into a situation like this where a "school" leased space owned by another entity.
Actually it is becoming very common as more charter schools enter the picture. Some ISDs are now going the charter school route in order to do the same thing. Leasing property from a church (facilities which in most cases are all but vacant during the week) is much more economically sound than the expense of building facilities that are vacant 180 days a year.C-dub wrote:That is an odd scenario and I hope whoever you've been assured by is correct. I would be worried only because of licensing of the school, but I guess it really does depend on who the owner of the property is. I've just never run into a situation like this where a "school" leased space owned by another entity.jmra wrote:Actually it can make a difference. Our church leases our facilities during the week to a charter school. The lease has been reviewed by legal council several times to determine if CC is legal outside the lease days/hours. We have been ensured that CC is in fact legal outside the leased hours.C-dub wrote:I'm not sure on this particular situation, but whether or not a school is "in session" makes no difference.
Obviously if the property is owned by the school CC is off limits at all times.
Actually it can make a difference. Our church leases our facilities during the week to a charter school. The lease has been reviewed by legal council several times to determine if CC is legal outside the lease days/hours. We have been ensured that CC is in fact legal outside the leased hours.C-dub wrote:I'm not sure on this particular situation, but whether or not a school is "in session" makes no difference.
Maybe. All depends on how the church organized the school when they set up everything.rickg wrote:Church owns property and also operates the school M-F. Sounds like it should be ok as long as the school is not in session and there aren't any school activities happening.