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george wrote:In west Texas, we always considered it polite to walk to the rear of the car.

just sayin'.

But usually we were so lonely, and happy for the chance to talk with someone.

I understand this. In fact, when I was younger, I would always exit the vehicle and go meet the cop at the rear of the car. Until one time, as I was getting out, I was told - very sternly - to 'stay in the vehicle'.

The LEO asking you to join them outside the vehicle seems perfectly legit to me. Expecting you to disarm (and thereby handle your gun) before exiting seems like a recipe for disaster. What would he/she do if they happened to see the gun in the process?

ELB wrote:I really don't see how standing in of the patrol car and wanting the driver who is armed TO PUT A GUN IN HIS HAND (which he would have to do to "disarm") is terribly smart, from an officer safety point of view, especially when the next step is for the driver to get out.

That is exactly what I was thinking. I find it shocking to think that this would be taught as a good idea in the LA CHL class. But then again, it is LA.