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Re: Federal Concealed Carry Permitting?

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oohrah wrote:I prefer the idea of keeping at the state level and requiring some sort of mandated reciprocity.
:iagree:

Just like we do for drivers licenses.
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Soccerdad1995 wrote:
oohrah wrote:I prefer the idea of keeping at the state level and requiring some sort of mandated reciprocity.
:iagree:

Just like we do for drivers licenses.
Is there mandatory reciprocity for non-commercial DL's? It's likely within the authority of Feds to do it, but I was under the impression that all 50 states just did it as a matter of practice or interstate agreement.
4/13/1996 Completed CHL Class, 4/16/1996 Fingerprints, Affidavits, and Application Mailed, 10/4/1996 Received CHL, renewed 1998, 2002, 2006, 2011, 2016...). "ATF... Uhhh...heh...heh....Alcohol, tobacco, and GUNS!! Cool!!!!"

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Re: Federal Concealed Carry Permitting?

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ScottDLS wrote:
Soccerdad1995 wrote:
oohrah wrote:I prefer the idea of keeping at the state level and requiring some sort of mandated reciprocity.
:iagree:

Just like we do for drivers licenses.
Is there mandatory reciprocity for non-commercial DL's? It's likely within the authority of Feds to do it, but I was under the impression that all 50 states just did it as a matter of practice or interstate agreement.
Yes, it's called the "full faith and credit" clause of the US constitution, which requires the states to honor each other's paperwork and licenses. No clue why some states act like like it doesn't apply to CHLs, and I don't feel like being a test case.
I am not a lawyer, nor have I played one on TV, nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, nor should anything I say be taken as legal advice. If it is important that any information be accurate, do not use me as the only source.
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Re: Federal Concealed Carry Permitting?

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Dave2 wrote:
ScottDLS wrote:
Soccerdad1995 wrote:
oohrah wrote:I prefer the idea of keeping at the state level and requiring some sort of mandated reciprocity.
:iagree:

Just like we do for drivers licenses.
Is there mandatory reciprocity for non-commercial DL's? It's likely within the authority of Feds to do it, but I was under the impression that all 50 states just did it as a matter of practice or interstate agreement.
Yes, it's called the "full faith and credit" clause of the US constitution, which requires the states to honor each other's paperwork and licenses. No clue why some states act like like it doesn't apply to CHLs, and I don't feel like being a test case.
Full faith and credit applies to "official acts". It doesn't always apply to licenses. That's why you don't have Doctors, Lawyers, Building Contractors, etc. automatically working OOS.
4/13/1996 Completed CHL Class, 4/16/1996 Fingerprints, Affidavits, and Application Mailed, 10/4/1996 Received CHL, renewed 1998, 2002, 2006, 2011, 2016...). "ATF... Uhhh...heh...heh....Alcohol, tobacco, and GUNS!! Cool!!!!"

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Re: Federal Concealed Carry Permitting?

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ScottDLS wrote:
Dave2 wrote:
ScottDLS wrote:
Soccerdad1995 wrote:
oohrah wrote:I prefer the idea of keeping at the state level and requiring some sort of mandated reciprocity.
:iagree:

Just like we do for drivers licenses.
Is there mandatory reciprocity for non-commercial DL's? It's likely within the authority of Feds to do it, but I was under the impression that all 50 states just did it as a matter of practice or interstate agreement.
Yes, it's called the "full faith and credit" clause of the US constitution, which requires the states to honor each other's paperwork and licenses. No clue why some states act like like it doesn't apply to CHLs, and I don't feel like being a test case.
Full faith and credit applies to "official acts". It doesn't always apply to licenses. That's why you don't have Doctors, Lawyers, Building Contractors, etc. automatically working OOS.
Oh? I thought that was why states that don't recognize certain marriages had to recognize them anyway, if the people were married in a state that did recognize them. Is that not the case? (Seriously asking)
I am not a lawyer, nor have I played one on TV, nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, nor should anything I say be taken as legal advice. If it is important that any information be accurate, do not use me as the only source.
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Re: Federal Concealed Carry Permitting?

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Dave2 wrote:
ScottDLS wrote:
Dave2 wrote:
ScottDLS wrote:
Soccerdad1995 wrote:
oohrah wrote:I prefer the idea of keeping at the state level and requiring some sort of mandated reciprocity.
:iagree:

Just like we do for drivers licenses.
Is there mandatory reciprocity for non-commercial DL's? It's likely within the authority of Feds to do it, but I was under the impression that all 50 states just did it as a matter of practice or interstate agreement.
Yes, it's called the "full faith and credit" clause of the US constitution, which requires the states to honor each other's paperwork and licenses. No clue why some states act like like it doesn't apply to CHLs, and I don't feel like being a test case.
Full faith and credit applies to "official acts". It doesn't always apply to licenses. That's why you don't have Doctors, Lawyers, Building Contractors, etc. automatically working OOS.
Oh? I thought that was why states that don't recognize certain marriages had to recognize them anyway, if the people were married in a state that did recognize them. Is that not the case? (Seriously asking)
Marriages are "official acts" and SCOTUS said in 1967 Loving vs. Virginia states had to recognize interracial marriages performed in other states. 1997 federal Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) allowed states and the feds to refuse to recognize same sex marriage performed in other states, but SCOTUS invalidated that last year in Obergefell v. Hodges. Terrible logic in that one IMO, but not relevant to state licensing of driving, carrying firearms, or many other things. As far as I know, the reason that all states recognize other states' non-commercial driver's licenses is because they chose to.
4/13/1996 Completed CHL Class, 4/16/1996 Fingerprints, Affidavits, and Application Mailed, 10/4/1996 Received CHL, renewed 1998, 2002, 2006, 2011, 2016...). "ATF... Uhhh...heh...heh....Alcohol, tobacco, and GUNS!! Cool!!!!"

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Re: Federal Concealed Carry Permitting?

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ScottDLS wrote:
Dave2 wrote:
ScottDLS wrote:
Dave2 wrote:
ScottDLS wrote:
Soccerdad1995 wrote:
oohrah wrote:I prefer the idea of keeping at the state level and requiring some sort of mandated reciprocity.
:iagree:

Just like we do for drivers licenses.
Is there mandatory reciprocity for non-commercial DL's? It's likely within the authority of Feds to do it, but I was under the impression that all 50 states just did it as a matter of practice or interstate agreement.
Yes, it's called the "full faith and credit" clause of the US constitution, which requires the states to honor each other's paperwork and licenses. No clue why some states act like like it doesn't apply to CHLs, and I don't feel like being a test case.
Full faith and credit applies to "official acts". It doesn't always apply to licenses. That's why you don't have Doctors, Lawyers, Building Contractors, etc. automatically working OOS.
Oh? I thought that was why states that don't recognize certain marriages had to recognize them anyway, if the people were married in a state that did recognize them. Is that not the case? (Seriously asking)
Marriages are "official acts" and SCOTUS said in 1967 Loving vs. Virginia states had to recognize interracial marriages performed in other states. 1997 federal Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) allowed states and the feds to refuse to recognize same sex marriage performed in other states, but SCOTUS invalidated that last year in Obergefell v. Hodges. Terrible logic in that one IMO, but not relevant to state licensing of driving, carrying firearms, or many other things. As far as I know, the reason that all states recognize other states' non-commercial driver's licenses is because they chose to.
Oooohhhh... I didn't realize marriages were "acts", I figured it was because of the licensing.
I am not a lawyer, nor have I played one on TV, nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, nor should anything I say be taken as legal advice. If it is important that any information be accurate, do not use me as the only source.
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Re: Federal Concealed Carry Permitting?

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Would the federal permit allow me to carry in a post office? If not, what good would it be?
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