Utah CHL Instructor Story on WFAA

[The Annoyed Man]

Now, if we can dispose with that kind of tactic, and you can agree that people can act on principle, independent of their wallets, your apparent ignorance of what is happening at the level of the legislature is startling. This is what Charles does for a living. He knows more about what is going on at the legislative level, in fine detail, than probably anybody else on this board, and has done so for a while now, both as the incumbent TSRA executive director, and as a member of the National Board of the NRA. Now you can choose to disregard his insider knowledge and experience, but in so doing, you're challenging the owner of this board in a way to imply that you know more about what is happening at that level than he does. Not a smart move.


Somebody get me a lawn-chair and a big bowl of popcorn. This one is going to be fun to watch.

Although I suspect that there might be some people in the world who are altruistic, I have yet to ever meet anyone who is truly that way. People work towards things that they at least believe to be in their self-interest. That doesn't mean that it always is in their self-interest, but at least they thought it was at the time. Sometimes they extrapolate this belief to include their belief in an afterlife that is affected by the actions that they do in this life. Sometimes it is just that they value what others think of them more than what might actually be good for them. I'm a grumpy old man and I say it like I see it. Unfortunately, my views sometimes get censored on this forum since it seems that I'm not politically correct enough for the moderators (aka "censors").

And I am grumpy too, and no spring chicken. What you call censoring, I call "enforcing the rules of civility," which you agreed to when you joined this board. You agreed to a code of conduct, but then you want freedom to violate that code of conduct at will without censure? On a privately owned board? And "grumpy and old" is your excuse?

Please.

And in answer to the red part... The glass is either half full or half empty, isn't it?

[Crossfire]

Unfortunately, my views sometimes get censored on this forum since it seems that I'm not politically correct enough for the moderators (aka "censors").

Now there's a great way to endear yourself to the moderators!

None of your posts have been edited or deleted for "political correctness" - only for violation of forum rules.

But, go ahead, call us names. We love it when you do that!

[Bart]

Does Larry Keilberg have any chance of winning? http://www.larrykeilberg.com/

It looks like he's been running for that seat for a long time.

[skub]

I say just look at who is against it... If they are CHL instructors, then they have a financial interest in Texas residents being required to get a Texas CHL since any Utah instructors are taking away their business. The media makes a bid deal about it because for the most part, the media is full of a bunch of leftist pinko's who are against the 2nd Amendment anyway.

If you are going to argue that it is all about the money, then you cannot forget the Utah CWP instructors who advertise their Utah classes as a way to get around a Texas CHL. Are you going to argue that their motives are based on principle, or are they in it for the money too? I would say that advertising is at the top of list of things driven by money.

[Charles L. Cotton]

Unfortunately, my views sometimes get censored on this forum since it seems that I'm not politically correct enough for the moderators (aka "censors").

You've only been a member for 10 days and you have a whopping 32 posts. I don't recall anything about your or your posts, but we don't edit posts because of content, unless it violates our rules. So if you really have had posts edited, then you either can't or choose not to follow our rules.

Chas.

[Cobra Medic]

Does Larry Keilberg have any chance of winning? http://www.larrykeilberg.com/

It looks like he's been running for that seat for a long time.

Good question. Is he a viable candidate or does he get the GOP nomination every 2 years as a service award?

[CollinLeon]

If you are going to argue that it is all about the money, then you cannot forget the Utah CWP instructors who advertise their Utah classes as a way to get around a Texas CHL. Are you going to argue that their motives are based on principle, or are they in it for the money too? I would say that advertising is at the top of list of things driven by money.

The Utah instructors who are advertising are doing it because they believe that it is in their self-interest to do so... Maybe that is for money, maybe it is for principle, but regardless, it is something that they believe to be in their self-interest. To do otherwise is not rational behavior. I'm not saying that there is anything inherently wrong with doing it for money. You just need to be honest about it. Capitalism is GOOD.

Sometimes, we do things that are not in our self-interest, but rarely intentionally. For us guys, it is part of surviving long enough to propagate our genes. Up until 25 or so, us guys tend to do really stupid things -- usually preceded by something like, "Yo! Check this out!"... It's one of the reasons that more males are born than females -- up to 25 or so, our life expectancy is not all that great... As I've often said, the leading cause of death to guys before 25 or so is testosterone... After 25 or so, it is estrogen, but it is a very slow and painful death...

[Liberty]

Although I suspect that there might be some people in the world who are altruistic, I have yet to ever meet anyone who is truly that way. People work towards things that they at least believe to be in their self-interest. That doesn't mean that it always is in their self-interest, but at least they thought it was at the time. Sometimes they extrapolate this belief to include their belief in an afterlife that is affected by the actions that they do in this life. Sometimes it is just that they value what others think of them more than what might actually be good for them. I'm a grumpy old man and I say it like I see it. Unfortunately, my views sometimes get censored on this forum since it seems that I'm not politically correct enough for the moderators (aka "censors").

I can say that I've taken taken opposing views with the moderators, and even Mr Cotton himself. While I may have been politely chastised, I have never been "censored" because any content. Ive even debated forum policy, and been treated politely and respectfully. I think if one is respectful of others they can expect the same treatment in return. This forum thrives on a exchange of ideas. and all of us who have been here while have learned a little along the way.

[CollinLeon]

You've only been a member for 10 days and you have a whopping 32 posts. I don't recall anything about your or your posts, but we don't edit posts because of content, unless it violates our rules. So if you really have had posts edited, then you either can't or choose not to follow our rules.

32 is classified at "whopping"? Kind of sounds like the grade inflation that they do in schools these days...

I stumbled across this forum while searching for something on Google recently... I saw something that I thought deserved being replied to, so I signed up for the forum... Since then, I have found other topics that I thought were interesting enough to be replied to... I'm ex-Navy and not politically correct in the least... I am also too old to change my ways and become politically correct... If I offend anyone with my frank talk, I am sorry that you feel offended, but I am not sorry for what I say...

[WildBill]

32 is classified at "whopping"? Kind of sounds like the grade inflation that they do in schools these days...

See facetious. http://www.merriam-webster.com/netdict/facetious" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[CollinLeon]

32 is classified at "whopping"? Kind of sounds like the grade inflation that they do in schools these days...

See facetious. http://www.merriam-webster.com/netdict/facetious" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Obviously, someone needs to get busy and create a "facetious" smiley...

[sjfcontrol]

Most people recognize it when they see it

[Hoi Polloi]

Most people recognize it when they see it

Aw, man! And here I thought the facetious smiley was this one:

This changes everything!

Goodness only knows what this one might mean now!

It's probably some sort of conspiracy involving our government, traced all the way up to our president, but unspoken here for fear of censure.

[sjfcontrol]

Naww... This means you have big ears! this means you wear a stupid hat. And this means you've had way too much to drink! (figure that one out for yourself!)

[jester]

chewing gum?