The magazines are the problem. Put in some of those 30-rounders and you'll have the destructive power of Thor at your fingertips!
sorry, been reading too many liberal anti-gun rants lately
I think previous posts have nailed down the problem.
But since this is a recent post about Gen 4 Glocks, one question I as a multiple-Gen 3 Glock owner don't know answer to is can the Gen 3 mags still be used in Gen 4 Glocks? I know to utilize the reversable mag release you need the Gen 4 mag, but will Gen 3 mags work as long as you keep mag release on left side (where God, John Browning, and Gaston Glock all originall intended it, by the way )?
lkd wrote:Glock will quickly fix the problem if it is persistent. Just give 'em a call. I've always found them to be extremely friendly and attentive. I'd speculate that the Glock Customer Support job is akin to the Maytag repairman job -- they don't get many calls, so they're always eager to talk to people
P.S. - The Glock owners manual tells you to not wipe off the copper lubricant :)
Thanks for the advice, LKD. I am going to do what everyone said to make sure I have a solid case of clearcut failures before I call. I have had too many experiences where the problem was me, not the gun.
If you removed it all, it will still work with a drop on each rail. It just helps smooth things out here and there. Or if you want, i believe you can pick some up at the auto parts store. I think its called anti-seize grease or something. Its not hard to find. Trust me, i learned all this by joining the glocktalk forum. Loads of information there. If you pull out the recoil spring on one of the ends, there should be a number. What number shows up on yours?
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Napier wrote:I had 100% misfeeds on the ammo I mentioned.
I'm still unclear exactly what happened. Were these strictly failures to feed, in other words to feed from the magazine up the feed-ramp into the chamber? At what point in the feed-cycle did they get stuck?
Sorry I wasn't clear, Andy. All the ammo fed properly when I racked the slide. Which to me suggested it wasn't a feed ramp problem. The failures were after firing the first round. The fired round extracted properly, it seems. But the next round got jammed in crossways with the nose of the bullet poking into the face of the barrel or nearby on the slide. Once or twice I also had a failure to pull the round out of the mag. I apologize that I am not a real knowledgeable gun person. To me they are like women. Incomprehensible, but fun. Any advice appreciated, on either subject.
the problem arises from the thing not being dirty enough. You're spoda throw it into a puddle and drive over it a few times before shooting it!
I am, of course, kidding, and thusly will post all the required smilies to emphasize such:
sounds like the recoil rod assembly spring which I'm sure you're going to check out and get squared away. I, as well, have a shiny new G17, but ain't had no problems widdit.
DoubleJ wrote:sounds like a FTG (failure to Glock).
the problem arises from the thing not being dirty enough. You're spoda throw it into a puddle and drive over it a few times before shooting it!
I am, of course, kidding, and thusly will post all the required smilies to emphasize such:
sounds like the recoil rod assembly spring which I'm sure you're going to check out and get squared away. I, as well, have a shiny new G17, but ain't had no problems widdit.
good luck and good Glockin'!
Thank you kindly, DJ. Glad yours works better than mine. I had all kinds of problems last year with my .380's during the ammo drought. I bought what I could get, and this would eat that, and another something else, so I had to keep notes. I am so sick of that, since I am still shooting '09 and '10 ammo, that I want to standardize on Hornady critial defense across all the guns I carry. Hence the high hopes for the Glock, haha!
cubbyjg wrote:Trust me, i learned all this by joining the glocktalk forum. Loads of information there.
Of the 5K people always browsing the forum, I would guess 3 or 4 of them actually know what they are talking about. I would be cautious with the information you get from there and always make sure it isnt a 17 year old who just learned how to field strip his gun for the first time.
What was the response from Glock when you contacted them? I am a huge Glock 17 fan, but I see no reason to buy a Gen 4 until this known issue is worked out.
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Glock owner here. There have been a TON of threads about Gen4 Glock issues over at GlockTalk.com during the last year. I don't claim to be a gun expert in the least, but I've been reading those forums quite a bit and can at least try to give you a synopsis:
o Gen3 9mm variants worked great, but Gen3 40S&W had some problems, particularly with lights attached to service pistols.
o With Gen4, Glock moved to a double, captive recoil spring (probably of greater tension) to address the Gen3 40S&W problems (successfully) and in the process created problems with the 9mm variants because initially both the Gen4 40s and the 9s shipped with the same recoil springs.
o The problems with the 9mms seems to be limited to light target loads -- they shoot service loads, or even NATO loads, just fine. Not everyone with 9mm has problems, either -- most people have been fine (just largely silent on the message boards -- too busy shooting). Also, the G26 subcompact (which just started shipping a few weeks ago) seems to be exempt from issues since it reportedly has the same slide and springs as the Gen3 version -- the problems have just been with the Gen4 G17 and G19.
o Glock has since come out with 2 revised springs for the 9mms. The latest (~45-60 days ago) spring is the "0-1-2" spring (those numbers are stamped on the end of the spring cap. Glock will send you one for free if you call them. The new spring seems to have solved almost everyone's problems, but admittedly it's still early (and most Glock owners never had problems to begin with).
o Some people have claimed that by cycling their slide a few hundred times and/or locking their slide back for several days the recoil spring has loosened up and failures have stopped. Others have speculated that Gen4 9s simply now need a breaking-in period like many pistols. There's no reason not to cycle your slide a bunch, lock it back a few days and run a few hundred rounds through it to eliminate these as possible causes.
o A few early Gen4s (early 2010) had bad extractors, but Glock took care of it, and I haven't read stories by anyone having any such problem since the first quarter of last year.
o Glock takes care of their customers.
All that said, the problem you are describing does not sound like the sort of problems other Gen4 owners have been having. The light target loads basically weren't strong enough to push back the new, tighter Gen4 springs (designed to decrease felt recoil, which by most accounts they do), resulting in FTEs and stovepipes. Your FTFs sound like a different sort of problem. I'd concur FTFs are usually magazine-related, but if the pistol and mags are both new, that would be unusual.
And lastly, all of this info is worth every single penny you paid for it!!! Glock will fix it -- call them.
PS: Oh, and to the person who asked, Glock Gen3 and Gen4 mags are completely interchangeable with Gen3 and Gen4 pistols, except that if you have a Gen4 pistol with the mag catch reversed you have to have an ambidextrous Gen4 magazine for it to work.
Napier wrote:Sorry I wasn't clear, Andy. All the ammo fed properly when I racked the slide. Which to me suggested it wasn't a feed ramp problem. The failures were after firing the first round. The fired round extracted properly, it seems. But the next round got jammed in crossways with the nose of the bullet poking into the face of the barrel or nearby on the slide. Once or twice I also had a failure to pull the round out of the mag. I apologize that I am not a real knowledgeable gun person. To me they are like women. Incomprehensible, but fun. Any advice appreciated, on either subject.
No apology necessary - we all start somewhere.
Napier wrote:But the next round got jammed in crossways with the nose of the bullet poking into the face of the barrel or nearby on the slide. Once or twice I also had a failure to pull the round out of the mag.
Starting to sound more like a magazine issue - check the feed-lips for burrs and also make sure they're not bent - anything like that which could affect the angle of the cartridge when feeding. Also check the lower edge of the breech-face, the section which contacts the base of the cartridge-case during the push into the chamber - it should be flat and square.
Thanks, Andy, I'll inspect those. I kinda doubt mags, as the problem happunt with all three. My goal next week is to eliminate all the questions customer support will ask before I call: "Are you one of THOSE limp-wristed guys?" "Did you buy the ammo at a flea market?" "Is this your first pistol?"
NoJustHappyToSeeYou wrote:Glock owner here. There have been a TON of threads about Gen4 Glock issues over at GlockTalk.com during the last year. I don't claim to be a gun expert in the least, but I've been reading those forums quite a bit and can at least try to give you a synopsis:
o Gen3 9mm variants worked great, but Gen3 40S&W had some problems, particularly with lights attached to service pistols.
o With Gen4, Glock moved to a double, captive recoil spring (probably of greater tension) to address the Gen3 40S&W problems (successfully) and in the process created problems with the 9mm variants because initially both the Gen4 40s and the 9s shipped with the same recoil springs.
o The problems with the 9mms seems to be limited to light target loads -- they shoot service loads, or even NATO loads, just fine. Not everyone with 9mm has problems, either -- most people have been fine (just largely silent on the message boards -- too busy shooting). Also, the G26 subcompact (which just started shipping a few weeks ago) seems to be exempt from issues since it reportedly has the same slide and springs as the Gen3 version -- the problems have just been with the Gen4 G17 and G19.
o Glock has since come out with 2 revised springs for the 9mms. The latest (~45-60 days ago) spring is the "0-1-2" spring (those numbers are stamped on the end of the spring cap. Glock will send you one for free if you call them. The new spring seems to have solved almost everyone's problems, but admittedly it's still early (and most Glock owners never had problems to begin with).
o Some people have claimed that by cycling their slide a few hundred times and/or locking their slide back for several days the recoil spring has loosened up and failures have stopped. Others have speculated that Gen4 9s simply now need a breaking-in period like many pistols. There's no reason not to cycle your slide a bunch, lock it back a few days and run a few hundred rounds through it to eliminate these as possible causes.
o A few early Gen4s (early 2010) had bad extractors, but Glock took care of it, and I haven't read stories by anyone having any such problem since the first quarter of last year.
o Glock takes care of their customers.
All that said, the problem you are describing does not sound like the sort of problems other Gen4 owners have been having. The light target loads basically weren't strong enough to push back the new, tighter Gen4 springs (designed to decrease felt recoil, which by most accounts they do), resulting in FTEs and stovepipes. Your FTFs sound like a different sort of problem. I'd concur FTFs are usually magazine-related, but if the pistol and mags are both new, that would be unusual.
And lastly, all of this info is worth every single penny you paid for it!!! Glock will fix it -- call them.
PS: Oh, and to the person who asked, Glock Gen3 and Gen4 mags are completely interchangeable with Gen3 and Gen4 pistols, except that if you have a Gen4 pistol with the mag catch reversed you have to have an ambidextrous Gen4 magazine for it to work.
Happy, thanks for that precis of the potential problems. I registered with GlockTalk but got totally lost in the mass of information. In any event, my problem probably has two or more causes. I'll keep in touch for the benefit of all as this unfolds. I think your best advice was to run a bunch of ammo through it. I'll also try the locked-back trick.
A bit longwinded, sorry, but I hope it helped. I still think your problem sounds different from the "traditional" problems some Gen4 owners have been having. One other thing to try is different ammo to see if the problem starts and stops by ammo brand. Good luck.
NoJustHappyToSeeYou wrote:A bit longwinded, sorry, but I hope it helped. I still think your problem sounds different from the "traditional" problems some Gen4 owners have been having. One other thing to try is different ammo to see if the problem starts and stops by ammo brand. Good luck.
Yes, it did help, thanks again. Clearly the ammo is involved in some way because two types worked. I hve three more types on order for comparison.
Thanks to all who so generously shared their Glock knowledge and experience. After following your advice I was fully prepared to deal with Glock warranty service:
"Hi. I have a problem with a new Glock 17 Gen 4."
Protracted silence, which I took to mean "Shock! Shock! Trouble with a Glock?"
"What's the problem?"
"It routinely fails to feed hollow points and occasionally fails to eject them."
"Did you clean and lube it?"
"Yes."
"Are you limp-wristing?"
"I'm heterosexual."
"Did you try different ammo?"
"Eight different kinds."
"Was it cheap ammo?"
"High end personal defense, Hornady, Corbon, Winchester PDX, Remington personal defense..."
"I'll send you the new recoil spring."
"That's what I've got."
Second long pause.
"OK. I guess you'll have to send it to us to look at."
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