Priceless!

[WarHawk-AVG]

What new firearms designs might come about in consequence of new "bans" that "they" enact? For a while you could not buy a new AR-15 in CA; then the "compliant" stocks and "fixed" magazines came along and now there are AR-15s that are not "assault weapons" in CA.

High capacity detachable magazines and auto/semi-auto features are not the most important aspect to the rifleman. Sure, those features would be valuable in a zombie outbreak, but in a military-style engagement of a hostile enemy, good sights and accurate shot placement are infinitely more important. Surprise, good cover and shot placement trump everything.

Now that's got me wondering; how hard would it be to make a lever-action AR? Detachable mags, (preferably existing AR mags) adjustable composite stock, all the naughty bits, but not semiauto. I'd save up my nickels for a .308 or .243 LAR10.

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Apparently not THAT hard!!

heck..they come from the factory that way!
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[KBCraig]

As far as volume of fire - no doubt a semi-auto or full-auto is great for suppressive fire, but for aimed fire the lever gun gives up little in speed to the autoloader.

I've seen handgun-caliber lever guns referred to as "the original 'assault weapon'", something that is very true when you consider capacity and rate of aimed fire.

When it comes to full power cartridges, the M1 and M14 in semi-auto fire have nothing on the bolt action Lee-Enfield. With even a modest amount of practice, a rifleman working an Enfield's bolt will put shots on target just as quickly as one pulling the trigger on a .30 caliber semi-auto. Because of its ergonomics and cock-on-close design, it is super fast. It's even faster than straight-pull actions like the famous Swiss Schmidt-Rubin series. With 10 round magazines and 5 round chargers that let you top up before running dry, they are a breeze to shoot.

I'm kind of partial, being a collector of Lee-Enfields, but time has proven me correct: they're not the best target rifles or hunting rifles, but they're the finest battle rifles ever made when judged by the ability to quickly and reliably put lead on the target.

[WarHawk-AVG]

As far as volume of fire - no doubt a semi-auto or full-auto is great for suppressive fire, but for aimed fire the lever gun gives up little in speed to the autoloader.

I've seen handgun-caliber lever guns referred to as "the original 'assault weapon'", something that is very true when you consider capacity and rate of aimed fire.

When it comes to full power cartridges, the M1 and M14 in semi-auto fire have nothing on the bolt action Lee-Enfield. With even a modest amount of practice, a rifleman working an Enfield's bolt will put shots on target just as quickly as one pulling the trigger on a .30 caliber semi-auto. Because of its ergonomics and cock-on-close design, it is super fast. It's even faster than straight-pull actions like the famous Swiss Schmidt-Rubin series. With 10 round magazines and 5 round chargers that let you top up before running dry, they are a breeze to shoot.

I'm kind of partial, being a collector of Lee-Enfields, but time has proven me correct: they're not the best target rifles or hunting rifles, but they're the finest battle rifles ever made when judged by the ability to quickly and reliably put lead on the target.

+1

I have an Ishapore 2A Enfield...definitely could do the "mad minute" and be able to put some well aimed fire downrange

[BobCat]

The sitting and prone rapid fire stages in NRA Highpower across-the-course comprise 10 shots in 60 seconds (sitting, 200 yards), and 70 seconds (prone, 300 yards) with one reload (tip of the hat to Springfield and Garand). Most shooters load 5 & 5, Service Rifle used to stipulate 2 & 8.

I've seen folks shooting .308 bolt guns (Match Rifle and Sevice Rifle often shoot together) finish their string about the same time as those shooting AR-15s - and post excellent scores. Takes training.

War between opposing armies is one thing, civilian defense may differ quite a lot. If the government of a country sets out to destroy a segment of it's population, individual firefights will probably be won by the "official" forces - for a number of reasons, including their being able to bring more force to bear than any small, localized group of civilians. You may find http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; interesting.

I do not know how "the people" can prevail if the government goes berserk, but seriously doubt that having an autoloader versus a bolt-action rifle will be the ace-in-the-hole. Disarmament is gradual - modern-looking autoloaders today, old-style "repeaters" tomorrow (why do you need more than one shot to hunt a deer?) and the oldest single-shot rifles at last (hunting is barbaric).

Anyway, I do not wish to be depressing. I love my AR, Garand, and lever gun - revolvers and auto pistols - and do not wish to shoot anyone at all. It just seems to me that bans and over-regulation can have the unintended, unforeseen consequence of engendering engineering innovation, and I want to see what new guns might come into being in response to the (probably) coming ill-advised new laws.

Happy Thanksgiving. We all (in this Country) still have quite a lot for which to be thankful.

Regards,
Andrew