CHL shooting in Austin

[philip964]

Uninsured motorist claim is no big deal, you don't even pay your deductible. Easier than if the guy has insurance. Shame.

[Justin Franklin]

As others have said….the story does not read well for the shooter. We'll have to wait and see how this one plays out in the courts.

As a CHL instructor I am always answering questions regarding when one is justified in using deadly force. I answer those questions, but I always follow up with what could go wrong. Whether he intentionally pulled the trigger or not, this story serves as a reminder that displaying your firearm should always be a last resort!!! He had already called police and had the other guys description along with his vehicle information…why wasn't he sitting in his vehicle waiting on the arrival of the police?

No traffic incident should ever end with a bang!

[esxmarkc]

Got any links to back this up?

Do you keep up on this board? You really need me to pull them? Just the stuff that we see come though this board week to week is disturbing.

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Here are a couple I dug up just cruising through my posts. On a couple of those threads the OP couldn't believe that everyone on the board here didn't side with them on their actions even after some really bright folks here both civilian and LEO explained they were in grave error.

You can be certain that there are plenty of other incidents. And certainly many that don't end up in a shooting that don't make headlines or come to light on this board but still the result of someone thinking their gun is the ultimate "hammer for every nail" as has been described.

[Bob in Big D]

As others have said….the story does not read well for the shooter. We'll have to wait and see how this one plays out in the courts.

As a CHL instructor I am always answering questions regarding when one is justified in using deadly force. I answer those questions, but I always follow up with what could go wrong. Whether he intentionally pulled the trigger or not, this story serves as a reminder that displaying your firearm should always be a last resort!!! He had already called police and had the other guys description along with his vehicle information…why wasn't he sitting in his vehicle waiting on the arrival of the police?

No traffic incident should ever end with a bang!

Whatever his deductable would be is peanuts to what it will cost to defend himself in court!!

[UpTheIrons]

Got any links to back this up?

Do you keep up on this board? You really need me to pull them? Just the stuff that we see come though this board week to week is disturbing.

viewtopic.php?f=26&t=39934" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

viewtopic.php?f=26&t=36789" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=37945" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here are a couple I dug up just cruising through my posts. On a couple of those threads the OP couldn't believe that everyone on the board here didn't side with them on their actions even after some really bright folks here both civilian and LEO explained they were in grave error.

You can be certain that there are plenty of other incidents. And certainly many that don't end up in a shooting that don't make headlines or come to light on this board but still the result of someone thinking their gun is the ultimate "hammer for every nail" as has been described.

Yet, you implied that actual shootings happen "every week." Sure, close calls happen every day. The also happen with automobiles and near-miss accidents (as well as road-rage with vehicle-as-weapon incidents). It also happens with police officers and near-shootings that may or may not be justified (just Google Las Vegas PD and shootings).

When a tiny fraction of a small portion of the population acts up (CHL holders), it appears to magnify a non-existent problem. But over and over again, licensed CHL holders have been demonstrated to be the most law abiding people out there. Hand wringing over the media portrayal of 2 actual incidents and implying that so many more will/do happen seems an awful lot like the old "blood in the streets!!!" argument that has failed to materialize everywhere.

[pbwalker]

Got any links to back this up?

Do you keep up on this board? You really need me to pull them? Just the stuff that we see come though this board week to week is disturbing.

viewtopic.php?f=26&t=39934" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

viewtopic.php?f=26&t=36789" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=37945" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here are a couple I dug up just cruising through my posts. On a couple of those threads the OP couldn't believe that everyone on the board here didn't side with them on their actions even after some really bright folks here both civilian and LEO explained they were in grave error.

You can be certain that there are plenty of other incidents. And certainly many that don't end up in a shooting that don't make headlines or come to light on this board but still the result of someone thinking their gun is the ultimate "hammer for every nail" as has been described.

Do you have any semblance of time? You said "this stupidity continues to happen weekly". The links you sent me are from August, September, and November. You sent me three links, one of which was a CHL involved shooting. The other two were questions asking about justification and feedback on how a situation was handled. I don't recall seeing those last two in the news, but I may have missed it.

Do you want to try again?

[esxmarkc]

Do you have any semblance of time?

Yes I do and thank you for the insult.

You said "this stupidity continues to happen weekly". The links you sent me are from August, September, and November.

Yes and as I stated those were only the ones I posted on and didn't care to do a load of digging on your behalf.

You sent me three links, one of which was a CHL involved shooting. The other two were questions asking about justification and feedback on how a situation was handled. I don't recall seeing those last two in the news, but I may have missed it.

Exactly as I stated that all weren't news but indicative of CHL holders having no idea as to when/if deadly force should be applied in a situation. Not sure why you misread that.

Do you want to try again?

No. If you wish to ignore the fact that more and more people continue to misuse their CHL privileges that is your prerogative. Thread has been pulled too far off track already.

This board has approx 7800 members. This represents roughly 1.7% of the CHL population in the state of Texas (assuming all the members are from Texas etc., etc.). And even that small percentage has too many folks who don't seem to understand the ramifications of the use of deadly force.

Each and every instance of the misuse of deadly force adds to continuum of misinformation that the antis wave around. I'm still crossing my fingers that more information will come to light that justifies this guys actions but I seriously doubt it.

I applaud each and every story/topic where good guys do good things but the way of the world is that one "screwup" cancels out 100 "attaboys" in the eyes of the press and the antis.

[Purplehood]

esxmarkc,

The CHL population continues to grow. The idiot population grows with them. It is a fact of life. The same fact of life that compels many of us to carry in the first place.

I am not sure what alarms you about this board (or I am interpreting your posts incorrectly). Everytime someone pops up to state how they "handled" a situation with their weapon, a massive reaction from the boards posting members usually advises to use restraint.

[esxmarkc]

The CHL population continues to grow. The idiot population grows with them. It is a fact of life. The same fact of life that compels many of us to carry in the first place.

Certainly true purplehood. But the negative behavior/incidents bubble up to make the news faster than the positive ones.

I am not sure what alarms you about this board (or I am interpreting your posts incorrectly). Everytime someone pops up to state how they "handled" a situation with their weapon, a massive reaction from the boards posting members usually advises to use restraint.

The board in general definitely doesn't alarm me. It is an incredible base of knowledge/culture for the CHL holder. And not in all cases does the reaction for those posts you speak of advise restraint. Some are certainly justified in their actions and are applauded. But the influx of negative stories seems to be catching up with the influx of positive ones and that is what alarms me.

[pbwalker]

[TNT]

heard that headed in this morning and my first thought was "please don't be a CHL holder" .. will be one to watch for sure

[Rex B]

Is this one not reason why we have uninsured drive in our insurance. He could have wrote down plate number called police and reported it as hit and run. Or followed from a safe distance with police on phone , so many things that could have been done besides pulling a gun.

Both cars were 13 years old. I doubt either had more than liability coverage. that's all I have on my 1996 and 1998 vehicles.
If I were in Dunbar's place I'd have made sure the other guy was held responsible for the damages, since any damages would have been a cash payout for me.

But if you shoot him, his insurance might be slow paying

[HankB]

I find it interesting that the police initially released the shooter "for medical reasons" but sought him out later to arrest him . . . maybe we're not getting the entire story.

I would have handled it very differently - absent some other information that's not in the news story, I don't see any good reason to shoot someone attempting to leave the scene of what sounds like a minor fender-bender.

[Purplehood]

I find it interesting that the police initially released the shooter "for medical reasons" but sought him out later to arrest him . . . maybe we're not getting the entire story.

I would have handled it very differently - absent some other information that's not in the news story, I don't see any good reason to shoot someone attempting to leave the scene of what sounds like a minor fender-bender.

My first thought would be using my cell-phone to take pics of cars and involved parties (I have been juiced before by peeps that didn't have insurance). My weapon would certainly be available but not the focus of my attention.

[Scott in Houston]

Maybe it was a new gun and he was just really excited to try it out!


I know these stories are bad for us 'normal' people who hold a CHL, and the media will obviously blow these out of proportion whenever possible vs. a true bad guy shooting.
As a result, even with CHL's being MUCH MUCH less likely to commit a crime than the rest of the population, the numbers need to me even much less than the odds to counteract the media hype and how the anti's will run with stories like this.

Guys like this piss me off so badly. I cannot fathom pulling my gun on someone driving off after hitting a $2000 car. Heck, I still debate on if I'd pull my gun in many situations with a bad guy and his weapon unless I'm directly threatened.
If someone is truly trying to run me over... no way in hell I'd shoot. I'd just move. How hard is that? He wasn't coming at the CHL'r at 60 mph. /rant