Machete the movie - IDK what to even say about this

[TxA]

if you're not wondering about fluoride in the water

That or Chemtrails

[Hoi Polloi]

It's Alex Jones.. if you're not wondering about fluoride in the water, you're not in his target audience.

Genuine question: which group is associated with worrying about fluoride in the water?

[mctowalot]

It's Alex Jones.. if you're not wondering about fluoride in the water, you're not in his target audience.

I couldn't be happier with my whole-house fluoride removal system. (They are advertised on Mr. Jone's website)

[Ashlar]

It's Alex Jones.. if you're not wondering about fluoride in the water, you're not in his target audience.

Genuine question: which group is associated with worrying about fluoride in the water?

I was being facetious, but it seems he really is that crazy..

http://www.prisonplanet.com/alex-jones- ... erica.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Hoi Polloi]

It's Alex Jones.. if you're not wondering about fluoride in the water, you're not in his target audience.

Genuine question: which group is associated with worrying about fluoride in the water?

I was being facetious, but it seems he really is that crazy..

http://www.prisonplanet.com/alex-jones- ... erica.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I've never heard of this guy.
I don't have time or desire to watch 4 full videos of him.
I have heard a number of people question the role and efficacy of fluoridation.
I really am curious which group you associate it with because I'd like to see if the people I know are aberrations.

[Ashlar]

I've never heard of this guy.
I don't have time or desire to watch 4 full videos of him.
I have heard a number of people question the role and efficacy of fluoridation.
I really am curious which group you associate it with because I'd like to see if the people I know are aberrations.

Yeah, I wouldn't waste my time with him either. His tin-foil hat has been on too tight for too long. In answer to your question, I'd say there's no 'group'- most of the truly paranoid conspiracy nuts are afraid of getting on a mailing list or join a 'group' cause then the gub'mint / illuminati / New World Order would be able to find them.

[Hoi Polloi]

I've never heard of this guy.
I don't have time or desire to watch 4 full videos of him.
I have heard a number of people question the role and efficacy of fluoridation.
I really am curious which group you associate it with because I'd like to see if the people I know are aberrations.

Yeah, I wouldn't waste my time with him either. His tin-foil hat has been on too tight for too long. In answer to your question, I'd say there's no 'group'- most of the truly paranoid conspiracy nuts are afraid of getting on a mailing list or join a 'group' cause then the gub'mint / illuminati / New World Order would be able to find them.

Ha ha ha!

I know a lot of them. OK, now I follow.

[nitrogen]

I watched the movie. It was pretty awesome.

I am adult enough to be able to separate entertainment from reality, so various plot points didn't bother me.

[NOS]

I am adult enough to be able to separate entertainment from reality, so various plot points didn't bother me.

However, there are those that aren't adult enough to separate fantasy from reality. Of course, those are the same people that will plan their day on what their alphabet cereal spelled out for them. There WILL be people out there that WILL truly believe that this movie justifies violence, but they believe that about every movie they see. There will always be crazy's out there. If I worried about every movie or TV show that could set off one of these nuts, I would be hiding in the bathroom with my AR, SKS, all of my pistols, and enough ammo to bring down a third-world country.
In the end, movies are entertainment, and should be taken as such, even if they have strong political and/or racial content. IMHO, once we take these entertaining acts of fiction and start to label them as a real threat to society, that is when they really become a threat. Not just for the people who want the content banned or restricted, but for the nuts out there that really believe these movies plots to be factual and justified. At that point, individuals and organizations standing up against the movie (plot, studios, actors, directors, writers, producers,etc...), will give these crazy people something to fight against for their new found cause. Sometimes it's best to leave it alone and just watch the movie.

[Hoi Polloi]

I am adult enough to be able to separate entertainment from reality, so various plot points didn't bother me.

However, there are those that aren't adult enough to separate fantasy from reality. Of course, those are the same people that will plan their day on what their alphabet cereal spelled out for them. There WILL be people out there that WILL truly believe that this movie justifies violence, but they believe that about every movie they see. There will always be crazy's out there. If I worried about every movie or TV show that could set off one of these nuts, I would be hiding in the bathroom with my AR, SKS, all of my pistols, and enough ammo to bring down a third-world country.
In the end, movies are entertainment, and should be taken as such, even if they have strong political and/or racial content. IMHO, once we take these entertaining acts of fiction and start to label them as a real threat to society, that is when they really become a threat. Not just for the people who want the content banned or restricted, but for the nuts out there that really believe these movies plots to be factual and justified. At that point, individuals and organizations standing up against the movie (plot, studios, actors, directors, writers, producers,etc...), will give these crazy people something to fight against for their new found cause. Sometimes it's best to leave it alone and just watch the movie.

I think an important issue in discussions like this is the point of media. All media is propaganda. The depth of field, color, angle, dialog, and so on are all direct acts of omission or commission to get you the viewer to think in a certain way. Sadly, schools are not teaching critical thinking and logic like they once did but are instead often a component of the propaganda machine.

We have amazing levels of research into how the human brain works and how to manipulate it. Everything from fast food to marketing uses this research. The more financial backing a product has, the more the company can intentionally get inside people's brains and work to get them to think as the company wishes. Likewise, when viewing TV or movies, the upper level critical thinking section of our brain is not engaged and we instead use the base/reptilian part of our brain which focuses on physical needs, rote memorization, and passions.

It is an interesting point to consider at what point the media's propaganda bears some or all of the responsibility for the actions of those who respond as the company intended them to do.

[Purplehood]

I went to the movie with absolutely zero expectations of being entertained, and I ended up really enjoying the movie. Lots of gore, lots of action, lots of major actors that must have owed Rodriguez and Trejo a big favor by appearing and alot of women sans clothing. It had a "we hate Arizona" plot.
Like I said, it was fun if you didn't take it seriously.

[Kythas]

I've never heard of this guy.
I don't have time or desire to watch 4 full videos of him.
I have heard a number of people question the role and efficacy of fluoridation.
I really am curious which group you associate it with because I'd like to see if the people I know are aberrations.

I wish I hadn't. He's the main 9/11 conspiracy theorist and has been propogating the idea that the Twin Towers were brought down by the Bush Administration using controlled demolitions as a false flag operation to gird America into going to war against Iraq.

Doesn't explain why, if the goal was war with Iraq, the perpetrator was al-Qaeda instead of the Iraqi intelligence services. But I digress.

He has also brought forth the theory that planes were not, in fact, used to bring down the towers (remember, that was accomplished by demolition charges that were secretly placed), but the planes were holograms....or, the planes were unmanned and being remotely controlled by the CIA. How they could so skillfully fly remote controlled planes into the exact floors rigged to explode at the push of a button would, to me, seem to be an incredible feat.

Of course, all the people saying 9/11 was a conspiracy, also say the Bush Administration - in additon to being corrupt and illegitimate - was completely inept; yet, they were somehow able to keep a conspiracy which must have taken hundreds, if not thousands, of people to pull off quiet for 9 years. This is the same Bush Administration which leaked secrets like a sieve, such as the CIA prisons and Valeris Plame. Of course, contraditions such as this simply don't register in their tin foil wrapped minds.

[Purplehood]

I've never heard of this guy.
I don't have time or desire to watch 4 full videos of him.
I have heard a number of people question the role and efficacy of fluoridation.
I really am curious which group you associate it with because I'd like to see if the people I know are aberrations.

I wish I hadn't. He's the main 9/11 conspiracy theorist and has been propogating the idea that the Twin Towers were brought down by the Bush Administration using controlled demolitions as a false flag operation to gird America into going to war against Iraq.

Doesn't explain why, if the goal was war with Iraq, the perpetrator was al-Qaeda instead of the Iraqi intelligence services. But I digress.

He has also brought forth the theory that planes were not, in fact, used to bring down the towers (remember, that was accomplished by demolition charges that were secretly placed), but the planes were holograms....or, the planes were unmanned and being remotely controlled by the CIA. How they could so skillfully fly remote controlled planes into the exact floors rigged to explode at the push of a button would, to me, seem to be an incredible feat.

Of course, all the people saying 9/11 was a conspiracy, also say the Bush Administration - in additon to being corrupt and illegitimate - was completely inept; yet, they were somehow able to keep a conspiracy which must have taken hundreds, if not thousands, of people to pull off quiet for 9 years. This is the same Bush Administration which leaked secrets like a sieve, such as the CIA prisons and Valeris Plame. Of course, contraditions such as this simply don't register in their tin foil wrapped minds.

Could you point us at some sources to support that he actually espouses these theories?

[old farmer]

All fairytales, have bit of a true... a good lie is one based on little bit of true....
It is a movie....it true point is to make money.

[A-R]

Noticed this in Austin paper this morning:
http://www.statesman.com/news/film-comm ... =ynews_rss" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Texas Film Commission has denied incentives for "Machete," the controversial immigration-related feature film from Robert Rodriguez's Austin-based Troublemaker Studios.

In a brief, formal letter dated Dec. 1 and released Wednesday by Katherine Cesinger , a spokeswoman for Gov. Rick Perry, the Texas Film Commission cited part of a state code that says requests for film incentives can be denied "because of inappropriate content or content that portrays Texas or Texans in a negative fashion."

I'm personally against government subsidies, tax abatements, bailouts, etc of any industry. But at least we've left enough wiggle room for Texas leaders to say "NO" to giving public money to make privately profitable films if they portray Texas in a bad light.

Of course, the film industry types still don't get it.

Austin screenwriter and author Si Dunn , who was one of the paid extras in "Machete," said Wednesday, "Texas needs to do a much better job of politically supporting its movie and television industry.... The notion that state legislators somehow can protect Texas' image from 'negative light' is just laughable — and sadly naive. Movies casting some aspect of Texas in a 'negative light' can be made with help from state incentives in Louisiana, New Mexico, Oklahoma or almost any other state and then be shown in Texas theaters."

emphasis added above: I think it's laughable and naive that these people think they should be given public money to make movies in the first place, privately profitable movies at that, and insulting that they think my tax money should fund a movie that depicts Texas in an unfavorable light.

If other states want to give you money to make a bad movie about Texas, great. Call our film commission when you have a script to make a bad movie about some other state and you can film that one in Texas