Which political election will be the best to support?

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Ron Paul is the most honest and straight forward candidate that the Republican party could run if that was what they wanted. Unfortunately, straight talk and honesty is not part of the platform and hasn't been for awhile. Ron Paul would scare the moderate Republicans halfway to voting Democratic.
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The Annoyed Man wrote:
matriculated wrote:...unless the economy craters...
"Unless?" Really? You're obviously not self employed in a small business. The economy has cratered for people who don't have the luxury of working for large cash cows.

The economy HAS cratered from the small business owner's perspective. Just sayin'.....
Right on, right on, right on. I'm not sure how anyone can be living in any semblance of the real world in the last several years and not know the economy is NOT healthy and NOT creating opportunities and jobs like it used to.
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74novaman wrote:Right on, right on, right on. I'm not sure how anyone can be living in any semblance of the real world in the last several years and not know the economy is NOT healthy and NOT creating opportunities and jobs like it used to.
Change the tax structure so that those companies who shipped their jobs off-shore might be encouraged to bring those jobs back. There are several ways to do this, but none of them are acceptable to the two parties. They could start by limiting how much any one PAC or special interest group could give any politician to buy their vote. What are the odds?
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The Annoyed Man wrote:
matriculated wrote:...unless the economy craters...
"Unless?" Really? You're obviously not self employed in a small business. The economy has cratered for people who don't have the luxury of working for large cash cows. Those who can't see it are either A) willfully blind to their own situations, or B) employed in fields that by the nature of what they do are somewhat insulated from the vicissitudes of the real economy that the rest of us suffer under......like a tenured professor, or a large hospital employee would be. Lawyers aren't doing too badly either, it seems. Nothing against lawyers, per se....just that they're in a profession where they get paid whether they win or lose, and when I worked in a hospital ER, I got paid whether the patient lived or died, that's all I'm saying. People in such types of positions are not subject to the same kind of buffeting as those whose daily financial lives really do rise and fall daily with the economy. On the other hand, small business persons either stay in business or go out of business directly according to the results they produce. There is no dampening influence from other factors. Something like 99% of all employers are small businesses, and about half of all employed persons in the U.S. work for a small business (source: http://www.sba.gov/sites/default/files/sbfaq.pdf).

The economy HAS cratered from the small business owner's perspective. Just sayin'.....
Ya' got me. I'm not self-employed, and my industry (healthcare) is notoriously known to be recession-proof. In fact, my income increased significantly during the recession, while prices of everything around me fell due to recession-related deflation. So, if anything, the recession was good for me. Having said all that, I do follow the news very closely and keep up with what's going on in the economy, so I'm familiar with the fragile state of the current recovery, such as it is. I take it you mean to say that the economy is either currently in the crater or that it is in the process of cratering. Whichever it is, I'll have to disagree with you there. I don't know the particulars of your small business or what industry you compete in, but looking at the general economic numbers shows that the economy is growing, although not nearly as fast as we want it to grow. Numbers also show that the private sector is adding jobs, some months more enthusiastically than others. Where the macroeconomy is still being hurt is in the states with the layoffs of teachers and other government workers. In a sense, the gains in the private sector are being canceled out by the public sector lay-offs. You take all those potential consumers' source of income away and all of a sudden you have less spending in the economy and less growth. What the private sector giveth, the public sector taketh away. The lay-offs seem to be petering out though, so assuming Europe doesn't pull us under, I'm pretty optimistic about future growth.
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gdanaher wrote:
74novaman wrote:Right on, right on, right on. I'm not sure how anyone can be living in any semblance of the real world in the last several years and not know the economy is NOT healthy and NOT creating opportunities and jobs like it used to.
Change the tax structure so that those companies who shipped their jobs off-shore might be encouraged to bring those jobs back. There are several ways to do this, but none of them are acceptable to the two parties. They could start by limiting how much any one PAC or special interest group could give any politician to buy their vote. What are the odds?
While we certainly do have a high corporate tax rate, I think the amount of regulation/bureaucracy/union bullying large companies have to deal with to operate in the US has as much or more to do with jobs going overseas.

PACs/special interests are a whole separate discussion.
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This has been a very enlightening series of posts...lets a person know where folks stand. One or two not quite where I thought, and one or two others confirmed.
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[quote="matriculated
Ya' got me. I'm not self-employed, and my industry (healthcare) is notoriously known to be recession-proof. In fact, my income increased significantly during the recession, while prices of everything around me fell due to recession-related deflation. So, if anything, the recession was good for me. Having said all that, I do follow the news very closely and keep up with what's going on in the economy, so I'm familiar with the fragile state of the current recovery, such as it is. I take it you mean to say that the economy is either currently in the crater or that it is in the process of cratering. Whichever it is, I'll have to disagree with you there. I don't know the particulars of your small business or what industry you compete in, but looking at the general economic numbers shows that the economy is growing, although not nearly as fast as we want it to grow. Numbers also show that the private sector is adding jobs, some months more enthusiastically than others. Where the macroeconomy is still being hurt is in the states with the layoffs of teachers and other government workers. In a sense, the gains in the private sector are being canceled out by the public sector lay-offs. You take all those potential consumers' source of income away and all of a sudden you have less spending in the economy and less growth. What the private sector giveth, the public sector taketh away. The lay-offs seem to be petering out though, so assuming Europe doesn't pull us under, I'm pretty optimistic about future growth.[/quote]


Edited: I misread your previous post.
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Heartland Patriot wrote:This has been a very enlightening series of posts...lets a person know where folks stand. One or two not quite where I thought, and one or two others confirmed.
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gdanaher wrote:Ron Paul is the most honest and straight forward candidate that the Republican party could run if that was what they wanted. Unfortunately, straight talk and honesty is not part of the platform and hasn't been for awhile. Ron Paul would scare the moderate Republicans halfway to voting Democratic.

I like Paul Ron, however, he still has no chance to be GOP nominee. Ron Paul unfortunately will never win in a 3rd party either. A loose loose situation. Until the interests of US citizens is 1st priority over NON-Citizens living outside the boundaries of USA, US will still be sliding in the Abyss. This is the true honest to God theory.
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OP, I like the way you think. I too have my doubts about Romney, as such it is more important to keep the house and try to take the senate.

That being said I hope you are active in our primaries as well.

Texas candidates who could use some financial support against there primary opponents are Sheriff Mack for Congress district 21. Matt Beebe for state rep district 121. Ted Cruz for Senate.

I don't really know much about races in other states though.
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Beiruty wrote:
gdanaher wrote:Ron Paul is the most honest and straight forward candidate that the Republican party could run if that was what they wanted. Unfortunately, straight talk and honesty is not part of the platform and hasn't been for awhile. Ron Paul would scare the moderate Republicans halfway to voting Democratic.

I like Paul Ron, however, he still has no chance to be GOP nominee. Ron Paul unfortunately will never win in a 3rd party either. A loose loose situation. Until the interests of US citizens is 1st priority over NON-Citizens living outside the boundaries of USA, US will still be sliding in the Abyss. This is the true honest to God theory.
I guess they forgot to tell you that when you say things like what I highlighted in red, you become a "knuckledragging teabillie clinging to your guns and religion in flyover country" and not a wise and educated elitist like those from the liberal enclaves. You are supposed to push for "social justice", "sustainability" and "multiculturalism" and if you don't, you are a terrible human being...just in case you didn't know all that, I wanted to break the news to you. :mrgreen:
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74novaman wrote:While we certainly do have a high corporate tax rate, I think the amount of regulation/bureaucracy/union bullying large companies have to deal with to operate in the US has as much or more to do with jobs going overseas.
I'll admit that I must be the only person that didn't know the issue of Boeing opening that SC plant was settled months ago. I found out yesterday when I heard the news about the first 787 rolling off the SC line.

Seems a deal was struck on a new contract for Boeing union employees in Washington and they dropped their suit.

And that moron from EPA region 6 resigned today.

Tide turning? Regulation is KILLING American business.
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I don't believe the liberal media. Obama has been a complete failure. His policies have been a complete failure. I don't believe that a majority of Americans have been dumbed down enough to give Barack Hussein Obama another 4 years. If the media wasn't in his back pocket his destruction of the Constitution and America would be on full display. His only supporters would come from the communist party and he would lose in a landslide. However, since it is in his back pocket it will be close but Romney will win barring any major screw ups/skeletons. I would send money to swing states. Virginia and Misery would be good states for senate support. :patriot:
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FishInTx wrote:I don't believe the liberal media.
I don't believe the liberal media either. But I also don't believe the conservative media. They both look at situations with rose colored glasses and neither side, being polarized as they are, seem to get it right.
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...neither side has our best interests at heart...rather what they think are THEIR best interests...
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