CHL Holders Return Fire
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CHL Holders Return Fire
Three men began firing into a crowd at a soccer tournament in Delaware yesterday, wounding three. People in the crowd then pulled their own weapons and returned fire, killing one of the shooters. The other two shooters are in the hospital, one in critical condition.
Here's an example of people with a CHL stopping a shooting that could have been much worse.
http://www.delawareonline.com/article/2 ... ck_check=1
Here's an example of people with a CHL stopping a shooting that could have been much worse.
http://www.delawareonline.com/article/2 ... ck_check=1
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The media gives very little publicity to these real events as they want us all disarmed.
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Do we know that this is CHLs defending themselves, or gang-on-gang violence?
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I'm searching ... all I see is
http://news.google.com/news/story?pz=1& ... =d&start=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;some people in the crowd fired back
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Nothing new there. All the stoies quote the same person, Nancy Dietz.
One other says "...multiple shots were fired by various parties..."
No mention of CHL status at all.
sounds like a gang rivalry to me.
Maybe it will settle out by tomorrow and we'll get "the rest of the story".
One other says "...multiple shots were fired by various parties..."
No mention of CHL status at all.
sounds like a gang rivalry to me.
Maybe it will settle out by tomorrow and we'll get "the rest of the story".
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CHL holders.......




Some parents say it is toy guns that make boys warlike. But give a boy a rubber duck and he will seize its neck like the butt of a pistol and shout "Bang!"......George Will
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What's so funny?barstoolguru wrote:CHL holders.......![]()
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not one in the bunch was carrying legal.... gang land shootings
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I was notbarstoolguru wrote:not one in the bunch was carrying legal.... gang land shootings

Some parents say it is toy guns that make boys warlike. But give a boy a rubber duck and he will seize its neck like the butt of a pistol and shout "Bang!"......George Will
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And what makes you so sure they were gang members? The article doesn't say either way.barstoolguru wrote:not one in the bunch was carrying legal.... gang land shootings

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Keith B wrote:And what makes you so sure they were gang members? The article doesn't say either way.barstoolguru wrote:not one in the bunch was carrying legal.... gang land shootings
What other reason would 3 men show up for a soccer game and start shooting into a crowd?
It has gang retaliation all over it, and it just so happens that three people just standing around at soccer game happen to have guns too (in Delaware no less) and returned fire. It didn’t say they were sporting gang colors too but I bet they were.
Just out of curiosity I looked up what it took to get a CHL in Delaware and outside of the $400+ the process looks like a lengthily one so we can ASSUME none of them had one or the article would have pointed that out.
One thing I can say after reading numerous news articles on shootings is they never want the truth to come out because of political ties to the papers. WHAT IF the paper said GANG BANGER shoot up soccer field. What do you think would happen to organized soccer when people don’t feel safe anymore?
more guns and less people
delaware ccw forum on the ccw process
http://deccw.com/index.php?topic=7.0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Some parents say it is toy guns that make boys warlike. But give a boy a rubber duck and he will seize its neck like the butt of a pistol and shout "Bang!"......George Will
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Way to early to speculate on anything. Will wait until they give more info.barstoolguru wrote:Keith B wrote:And what makes you so sure they were gang members? The article doesn't say either way.barstoolguru wrote:not one in the bunch was carrying legal.... gang land shootings
What other reason would 3 men show up for a soccer game and start shooting into a crowd?
It has gang retaliation all over it, and it just so happens that three people just standing around at soccer game happen to have guns too (in Delaware no less) and returned fire. It didn’t say they were sporting gang colors too but I bet they were.
Just out of curiosity I looked up what it took to get a CHL in Delaware and outside of the $400+ the process looks like a lengthily one so we can ASSUME none of them had one or the article would have pointed that out.
One thing I can say after reading numerous news articles on shootings is they never want the truth to come out because of political ties to the papers. WHAT IF the paper said GANG BANGER shoot up soccer field. What do you think would happen to organized soccer when people don’t feel safe anymore?
more guns and less people
delaware ccw forum on the ccw process
http://deccw.com/index.php?topic=7.0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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update: the people that were shot were targets of the shooters. it has all the sounds and smells of a gang style hitKeith B wrote:Way to early to speculate on anything. Will wait until they give more info.barstoolguru wrote:Keith B wrote:And what makes you so sure they were gang members? The article doesn't say either way.barstoolguru wrote:not one in the bunch was carrying legal.... gang land shootings
What other reason would 3 men show up for a soccer game and start shooting into a crowd?
It has gang retaliation all over it, and it just so happens that three people just standing around at soccer game happen to have guns too (in Delaware no less) and returned fire. It didn’t say they were sporting gang colors too but I bet they were.
Just out of curiosity I looked up what it took to get a CHL in Delaware and outside of the $400+ the process looks like a lengthily one so we can ASSUME none of them had one or the article would have pointed that out.
One thing I can say after reading numerous news articles on shootings is they never want the truth to come out because of political ties to the papers. WHAT IF the paper said GANG BANGER shoot up soccer field. What do you think would happen to organized soccer when people don’t feel safe anymore?
more guns and less people
delaware ccw forum on the ccw process
http://deccw.com/index.php?topic=7.0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?secti ... id=8728451" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Some parents say it is toy guns that make boys warlike. But give a boy a rubber duck and he will seize its neck like the butt of a pistol and shout "Bang!"......George Will
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Never could happen in Texas --
This incident was at a "professional sporting event," where we law abiding Texans, who also happen to be CHL holders, would be unarmed targets -- by legislation.
CHL holders would have to be protected by non-CHL "criminals" who illegally carried and who would be in a position to respond in defense of such an attack.

This incident was at a "professional sporting event," where we law abiding Texans, who also happen to be CHL holders, would be unarmed targets -- by legislation.
CHL holders would have to be protected by non-CHL "criminals" who illegally carried and who would be in a position to respond in defense of such an attack.

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Still no word on who returned fire yet in that particular incident
Could be
1) LEOs
2) People who open carry
3) CCDW holders
4) someone else
http://deccw.com/index.php?topic=1769.0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I enjoyed the second and third posts
Could be
1) LEOs
2) People who open carry
3) CCDW holders
4) someone else
http://deccw.com/index.php?topic=1769.0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I enjoyed the second and third posts
I'm no lawyer
"Never show your hole card" "Always have something in reserve"
"Never show your hole card" "Always have something in reserve"