CHL Holders Return Fire

CHL discussions that do not fit into more specific topics

Moderators: carlson1, Charles L. Cotton

User avatar
Kythas
Senior Member
Posts: 1685
Joined: Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:06 am
Location: McKinney, TX

CHL Holders Return Fire

Post by Kythas »

Three men began firing into a crowd at a soccer tournament in Delaware yesterday, wounding three. People in the crowd then pulled their own weapons and returned fire, killing one of the shooters. The other two shooters are in the hospital, one in critical condition.

Here's an example of people with a CHL stopping a shooting that could have been much worse.

http://www.delawareonline.com/article/2 ... ck_check=1
“I’m all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let’s start with typewriters.” - Frank Lloyd Wright

"Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of arms" - Aristotle
fannypacker
Member
Posts: 185
Joined: Wed Apr 01, 2009 2:15 pm
Location: Plano, TX

Re: CHL Holders Return Fire

Post by fannypacker »

The media gives very little publicity to these real events as they want us all disarmed.
Rex B
Senior Member
Posts: 3616
Joined: Thu Jul 06, 2006 3:30 pm
Location: DFW

Re: CHL Holders Return Fire

Post by Rex B »

Do we know that this is CHLs defending themselves, or gang-on-gang violence?
-----------
“Sometimes there is no alternative to uncertainty except to await the arrival of more and better data.” C. Wunsch
RPB
Banned
Posts: 8697
Joined: Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:17 pm

Re: CHL Holders Return Fire

Post by RPB »

I'm searching ... all I see is
some people in the crowd fired back
http://news.google.com/news/story?pz=1& ... =d&start=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I'm no lawyer

"Never show your hole card" "Always have something in reserve"
Rex B
Senior Member
Posts: 3616
Joined: Thu Jul 06, 2006 3:30 pm
Location: DFW

Re: CHL Holders Return Fire

Post by Rex B »

Nothing new there. All the stoies quote the same person, Nancy Dietz.

One other says "...multiple shots were fired by various parties..."

No mention of CHL status at all.
sounds like a gang rivalry to me.

Maybe it will settle out by tomorrow and we'll get "the rest of the story".
-----------
“Sometimes there is no alternative to uncertainty except to await the arrival of more and better data.” C. Wunsch
barstoolguru
Senior Member
Posts: 526
Joined: Sat May 05, 2012 8:38 am
Location: under a rock in area 51

Re: CHL Holders Return Fire

Post by barstoolguru »

CHL holders....... "rlol" "rlol" "rlol"
Some parents say it is toy guns that make boys warlike. But give a boy a rubber duck and he will seize its neck like the butt of a pistol and shout "Bang!"......George Will
User avatar
Keith B
Moderator
Posts: 18503
Joined: Sat Aug 18, 2007 3:29 pm

Re: CHL Holders Return Fire

Post by Keith B »

barstoolguru wrote:CHL holders....... "rlol" "rlol" "rlol"
What's so funny?
Keith
Texas LTC Instructor, Missouri CCW Instructor, NRA Certified Pistol, Rifle, Shotgun Instructor and RSO, NRA Life Member

Psalm 82:3-4
barstoolguru
Senior Member
Posts: 526
Joined: Sat May 05, 2012 8:38 am
Location: under a rock in area 51

Re: CHL Holders Return Fire

Post by barstoolguru »

not one in the bunch was carrying legal.... gang land shootings
Some parents say it is toy guns that make boys warlike. But give a boy a rubber duck and he will seize its neck like the butt of a pistol and shout "Bang!"......George Will
barstoolguru
Senior Member
Posts: 526
Joined: Sat May 05, 2012 8:38 am
Location: under a rock in area 51

Re: CHL Holders Return Fire

Post by barstoolguru »

barstoolguru wrote:not one in the bunch was carrying legal.... gang land shootings
I was not "rlol" because of the shooting but to think any were legal. you noticed the article said nothing either way
Some parents say it is toy guns that make boys warlike. But give a boy a rubber duck and he will seize its neck like the butt of a pistol and shout "Bang!"......George Will
User avatar
Keith B
Moderator
Posts: 18503
Joined: Sat Aug 18, 2007 3:29 pm

Re: CHL Holders Return Fire

Post by Keith B »

barstoolguru wrote:not one in the bunch was carrying legal.... gang land shootings
And what makes you so sure they were gang members? The article doesn't say either way. :headscratch
Keith
Texas LTC Instructor, Missouri CCW Instructor, NRA Certified Pistol, Rifle, Shotgun Instructor and RSO, NRA Life Member

Psalm 82:3-4
barstoolguru
Senior Member
Posts: 526
Joined: Sat May 05, 2012 8:38 am
Location: under a rock in area 51

Re: CHL Holders Return Fire

Post by barstoolguru »

Keith B wrote:
barstoolguru wrote:not one in the bunch was carrying legal.... gang land shootings
And what makes you so sure they were gang members? The article doesn't say either way. :headscratch

What other reason would 3 men show up for a soccer game and start shooting into a crowd?
It has gang retaliation all over it, and it just so happens that three people just standing around at soccer game happen to have guns too (in Delaware no less) and returned fire. It didn’t say they were sporting gang colors too but I bet they were.

Just out of curiosity I looked up what it took to get a CHL in Delaware and outside of the $400+ the process looks like a lengthily one so we can ASSUME none of them had one or the article would have pointed that out.

One thing I can say after reading numerous news articles on shootings is they never want the truth to come out because of political ties to the papers. WHAT IF the paper said GANG BANGER shoot up soccer field. What do you think would happen to organized soccer when people don’t feel safe anymore?

more guns and less people

delaware ccw forum on the ccw process
http://deccw.com/index.php?topic=7.0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Some parents say it is toy guns that make boys warlike. But give a boy a rubber duck and he will seize its neck like the butt of a pistol and shout "Bang!"......George Will
User avatar
Keith B
Moderator
Posts: 18503
Joined: Sat Aug 18, 2007 3:29 pm

Re: CHL Holders Return Fire

Post by Keith B »

barstoolguru wrote:
Keith B wrote:
barstoolguru wrote:not one in the bunch was carrying legal.... gang land shootings
And what makes you so sure they were gang members? The article doesn't say either way. :headscratch

What other reason would 3 men show up for a soccer game and start shooting into a crowd?
It has gang retaliation all over it, and it just so happens that three people just standing around at soccer game happen to have guns too (in Delaware no less) and returned fire. It didn’t say they were sporting gang colors too but I bet they were.

Just out of curiosity I looked up what it took to get a CHL in Delaware and outside of the $400+ the process looks like a lengthily one so we can ASSUME none of them had one or the article would have pointed that out.

One thing I can say after reading numerous news articles on shootings is they never want the truth to come out because of political ties to the papers. WHAT IF the paper said GANG BANGER shoot up soccer field. What do you think would happen to organized soccer when people don’t feel safe anymore?

more guns and less people

delaware ccw forum on the ccw process
http://deccw.com/index.php?topic=7.0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Way to early to speculate on anything. Will wait until they give more info.
Keith
Texas LTC Instructor, Missouri CCW Instructor, NRA Certified Pistol, Rifle, Shotgun Instructor and RSO, NRA Life Member

Psalm 82:3-4
barstoolguru
Senior Member
Posts: 526
Joined: Sat May 05, 2012 8:38 am
Location: under a rock in area 51

Re: CHL Holders Return Fire

Post by barstoolguru »

Keith B wrote:
barstoolguru wrote:
Keith B wrote:
barstoolguru wrote:not one in the bunch was carrying legal.... gang land shootings
And what makes you so sure they were gang members? The article doesn't say either way. :headscratch

What other reason would 3 men show up for a soccer game and start shooting into a crowd?
It has gang retaliation all over it, and it just so happens that three people just standing around at soccer game happen to have guns too (in Delaware no less) and returned fire. It didn’t say they were sporting gang colors too but I bet they were.

Just out of curiosity I looked up what it took to get a CHL in Delaware and outside of the $400+ the process looks like a lengthily one so we can ASSUME none of them had one or the article would have pointed that out.

One thing I can say after reading numerous news articles on shootings is they never want the truth to come out because of political ties to the papers. WHAT IF the paper said GANG BANGER shoot up soccer field. What do you think would happen to organized soccer when people don’t feel safe anymore?

more guns and less people

delaware ccw forum on the ccw process
http://deccw.com/index.php?topic=7.0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Way to early to speculate on anything. Will wait until they give more info.
update: the people that were shot were targets of the shooters. it has all the sounds and smells of a gang style hit

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?secti ... id=8728451" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Some parents say it is toy guns that make boys warlike. But give a boy a rubber duck and he will seize its neck like the butt of a pistol and shout "Bang!"......George Will
LSL
Member
Posts: 138
Joined: Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:53 pm
Location: Houston

Re: CHL Holders Return Fire

Post by LSL »

Never could happen in Texas --

This incident was at a "professional sporting event," where we law abiding Texans, who also happen to be CHL holders, would be unarmed targets -- by legislation.

CHL holders would have to be protected by non-CHL "criminals" who illegally carried and who would be in a position to respond in defense of such an attack.
:confused5
Noli Voluntare Usque Vocaris / lsl
SA XDM 3.8c 9mm and Ruger LC9 -- each in a <tripleTholsters.com> IWB
Walther P22
RPB
Banned
Posts: 8697
Joined: Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:17 pm

Re: CHL Holders Return Fire

Post by RPB »

Still no word on who returned fire yet in that particular incident

Could be
1) LEOs
2) People who open carry
3) CCDW holders
4) someone else

http://deccw.com/index.php?topic=1769.0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I enjoyed the second and third posts
I'm no lawyer

"Never show your hole card" "Always have something in reserve"
Post Reply

Return to “General Texas CHL Discussion”