Liberal 2nd amendment view

[bdickens]

I don't consider people who want to take my means of self-defense away by force via the government to be friends --to me they're enemies.

Exactly.

[TexasCajun]

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. But you can hold his head under for a bit just for the fun of it.

We are never going to sway these people. Their minds are made up & nothing is going to change them. But we can influence those that overhear the conversation. So remember to keep calm & hammer the rational points home - repeatedly.

I have a couple of friends of mine on Facebook that view guns & the 2nd amendment similar to the OP. We go round & round on this topic & it usually breaks down into them resorting to veiled name-calling & personal attacks. I don't let that stuff get to me because it's not true. They still haven't caught on to the fact that they are at a big disadvantage in all of this because I really like to debate this & related issues. I don't think that these guys will ever come around, but the ongoing debate may give others a chance to put their own thought into to matter.

I don't consider people who want to take my means of self-defense away by force via the government to be friends --to me they're enemies.

Well I've known these guys for a long time. And other than our differences on this issue, they are pretty good guys. And as demonstrated by their fervent and unwavering stance, they do adhere to a set of principles. So from me, they get a measure of respect because they've earned it. I've found only a few things in life that can truly be put into black & white terms, and by far, friendship dies not qualify.

[anygunanywhere]

I've found only a few things in life that can truly be put into black & white terms, and by far, friendship dies not qualify.

It might not be that way now, but at some point in the future it very well may be so.

Yes, those who have opposing views on freedom and belief in the Constitution and BOR might seem like "good people" but their values might make the decision more easy as the progressive agenda becomes more clear and reaches the pinnacle of their goals.

Anygunanywhere

[VMI77]

I've found only a few things in life that can truly be put into black & white terms, and by far, friendship dies not qualify.

It might not be that way now, but at some point in the future it very well may be so.

Yes, those who have opposing views on freedom and belief in the Constitution and BOR might seem like "good people" but their values might make the decision more easy as the progressive agenda becomes more clear and reaches the pinnacle of their goals.

Anygunanywhere

Yep, they'll be the first people to turn you in to the Feds for rewards and recognition --all for the good of the country of course.

[bdickens]

Well I've known these guys for a long time. And other than our differences on this issue, they are pretty good guys. And as demonstrated by their fervent and unwavering stance, they do adhere to a set of principles. So from me, they get a measure of respect because they've earned it. I've found only a few things in life that can truly be put into black & white terms, and by far, friendship dies not qualify.

Sorry, but people who want to take away any of your basic human rights are not "pretty good guys." They are corrupted by evil.

Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot and Barry "Barack Hussein Obama" Sotero all had a fervent, unwavering commitment to a set of principles. Does that make them "pretty good guys?"

[VMI77]

Well I've known these guys for a long time. And other than our differences on this issue, they are pretty good guys. And as demonstrated by their fervent and unwavering stance, they do adhere to a set of principles. So from me, they get a measure of respect because they've earned it. I've found only a few things in life that can truly be put into black & white terms, and by far, friendship dies not qualify.

Sorry, but people who want to take away any of your basic human rights are not "pretty good guys." They are corrupted by evil.

Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot and Barry "Barack Hussein Obama" Sotero all had a fervent, unwavering commitment to a set of principles. Does that make them "pretty good guys?"

I don't know about the other guys, but Adolf loved his dog too, and was a vegetarian. I think Barry would love his dog if he wasn't a sociopath.

[Syntyr]

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Some of us are ornery ol coots and like to stir the pot :)

[TexasCajun]

I've found only a few things in life that can truly be put into black & white terms, and by far, friendship dies not qualify.

It might not be that way now, but at some point in the future it very well may be so.

Yes, those who have opposing views on freedom and belief in the Constitution and BOR might seem like "good people" but their values might make the decision more easy as the progressive agenda becomes more clear and reaches the pinnacle of their goals.

Anygunanywhere

Yep, they'll be the first people to turn you in to the Feds for rewards and recognition --all for the good of the country of course.

There would be no need to turn me in as I'm fairly active on this online forum as well as on Facebook & other online theaters. If it comes down to a a problem arises situation, what they say or do will be pretty low on my 'things to worry about' list.

[TexasCajun]

Well I've known these guys for a long time. And other than our differences on this issue, they are pretty good guys. And as demonstrated by their fervent and unwavering stance, they do adhere to a set of principles. So from me, they get a measure of respect because they've earned it. I've found only a few things in life that can truly be put into black & white terms, and by far, friendship dies not qualify.

Sorry, but people who want to take away any of your basic human rights are not "pretty good guys." They are corrupted by evil.

Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot and Barry "Barack Hussein Obama" Sotero all had a fervent, unwavering commitment to a set of principles. Does that make them "pretty good guys?"

I don't know about the other guys, but Adolf loved his dog too, and was a vegetarian. I think Barry would love his dog if he wasn't a sociopath.

Again, very little of what I see or encounter on a daily basis fits so neatly in a pretty little box with a cute little bow on top. This is doubly true with my friends. I won't classify them as you all have because 1 - I've known them for a long time, and 2 - We agree on other issues. Are they holding out hope that our society will be reconstructed under a socialist philosophy? I don't believe that to be the case as one of the guys I'm referring to served in the navy during gulf war 1, and the other tends to foo o it form his political beliefs through the prism of his Christian (Methodist, if I'm not mistaken) faith. But were both of these guys falter is that they've fallen for the other side's 'common sense' and 'reasonable' arguments. Yes, they're wrong on this issue. But that doesn't make them evil despots.

I think I'll amend one of my original statements to include: those that can, should continue to debate this issue respectfully. Those that can't should relegate themselves to only preaching to the like-minded choir.

[VMI77]

Well I've known these guys for a long time. And other than our differences on this issue, they are pretty good guys. And as demonstrated by their fervent and unwavering stance, they do adhere to a set of principles. So from me, they get a measure of respect because they've earned it. I've found only a few things in life that can truly be put into black & white terms, and by far, friendship dies not qualify.

Sorry, but people who want to take away any of your basic human rights are not "pretty good guys." They are corrupted by evil.

Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot and Barry "Barack Hussein Obama" Sotero all had a fervent, unwavering commitment to a set of principles. Does that make them "pretty good guys?"

I don't know about the other guys, but Adolf loved his dog too, and was a vegetarian. I think Barry would love his dog if he wasn't a sociopath.

Again, very little of what I see or encounter on a daily basis fits so neatly in a pretty little box with a cute little bow on top. This is doubly true with my friends. I won't classify them as you all have because 1 - I've known them for a long time, and 2 - We agree on other issues. Are they holding out hope that our society will be reconstructed under a socialist philosophy? I don't believe that to be the case as one of the guys I'm referring to served in the navy during gulf war 1, and the other tends to foo o it form his political beliefs through the prism of his Christian (Methodist, if I'm not mistaken) faith. But were both of these guys falter is that they've fallen for the other side's 'common sense' and 'reasonable' arguments. Yes, they're wrong on this issue. But that doesn't make them evil despots.

I think I'll amend one of my original statements to include: those that can, should continue to debate this issue respectfully. Those that can't should relegate themselves to only preaching to the like-minded choir.

You're right, I don't know them.....but I don't think being in the military is necessarily a factor. The very first person who personally confronted me and advocated that our system should be replaced with European style socialism was in the military. North Korea has a military. While I would agree that people in the military are generally more conservative, I'd rank the branches from most conservative to most liberal as: Marines, Army, Navy, Air Force.

[bdickens]

Adolf served honorably in the military, too.

[TexasCajun]

I envy those of you that live in a completely binary world - where everything reduces to either 1 or 0. In such an existence no rational thought has to be made, judgment isn't necessary, and reason can be eliminated. Ohhh to not have to burden myself with trying to reconcile people or situations that come close to fitting a particular context but that don't meet every single one of a couple hundred criteria. Why, I could simply toss them into this bin or the other one!!! And I wouldn't have to give it a second thought to boot!

Woe is me that is cursed with a reason and intellect that can see not only merit to both sides of an argument, but also can see beyond absolutes. I curse my innate pragmatism that forces me to look beyond emotion & irrationality. Would that I could pluck out these eyes that see many shades of Greg in addition to a multitude of colors around me!

I guess we can't all be so lucky as some of you.....

[bdickens]

I will tolerate people who think gay people should have the right to be as miserable as everybody else (thank you, Kinky Friedman).

I will tolerate people who think welfare helps poor people.

I will tolerate people who think that ManMade GlobalWarming® is real and that by driving a Prius they are saving the planet.

I will even tolerate people who think Karl Marx had some good ideas.

I will not, however, tolerate people who want to deny me my fundamental human rights, one of which is defending myself from harm by whatever means necessary.

[VMI77]

I envy those of you that live in a completely binary world - where everything reduces to either 1 or 0. In such an existence no rational thought has to be made, judgment isn't necessary, and reason can be eliminated. Ohhh to not have to burden myself with trying to reconcile people or situations that come close to fitting a particular context but that don't meet every single one of a couple hundred criteria. Why, I could simply toss them into this bin or the other one!!! And I wouldn't have to give it a second thought to boot!

Woe is me that is cursed with a reason and intellect that can see not only merit to both sides of an argument, but also can see beyond absolutes. I curse my innate pragmatism that forces me to look beyond emotion & irrationality. Would that I could pluck out these eyes that see many shades of Greg in addition to a multitude of colors around me!

I guess we can't all be so lucky as some of you.....

I bow to you oh great one: to your intellect, your rationality, your reason, your tolerance, your great vision, and your pragmatism. Obviously from what you tell us you are a superior being, and we mere mortals are judgmental, irrational, unreasonable, intolerant, impractical, blind, and stupid. I do count myself lucky however.